Worst stereotype in Trek...

[scotpens]

Whatever gave you the idea that a metrosexual acts like a gay man? It's just a man who applies more effort to his appearance than the typical guy. That doesn't mean he wears flamboyant clothes or any style that suggests that he is gay. They are also known to get a manicure -- there's nothing wrong with that. His outward mannerisms don't necessarily project “gay”. It's my perception that a metrosexual refers to fashion conscious men who are either heterosexual, bi-curious, or a closet gay. Julian Bashir might even be called one.

Perhaps I should have said, “an urban heterosexual male who has many of the perceived characteristics of urban gay men.” Like being the only straight guy in a fabric store or antique shop who hasn’t been dragged there by a woman.

The Urban Dictionary: Metrosexual

 

[Mr Silver]

It's always made sense for me to use the model I previously posted. Here's an example...

Galaxy: Milky Way
Galactic Quadrant: Alpha Quadrant
Sector: Mutara Sector
Sector Quadrant: Unknown, but since the Mutara sector contains the Ceti Alpha, Genesis and Regula star systems we can assume that Ceti Alpha is in one quadrant (because it was a couple of days away from Regula) and the Genesis and Regula systems are in another (because they were almost right next to each other)
Star System: Ceti Alpha, Genesis and Regula

You can apply to that almost any location in Trek...

Galaxy: Milky Way
Galactic Quadrant: Alpha Quadrant
Sector: Sirius Sector
Sector Quadrant: One contains Sol and Alpha Centauri, another contains Vulcan and Andor, another contains Axanar and the last presumably contains Wolf 359
Star System: Sol

 

[Admiral Shran]

Galaxy: Milky Way
Galactic Quadrant: Alpha Quadrant
Sector: Sirius Sector
Sector Quadrant: One contains Sol and Alpha Centauri, another contains Vulcan and Andor, another contains Axanar and the last presumably contains Wolf 359
Star System: Sol

Wouldn't that be....

Sector: Sector 001?

 

[Mr Silver]

That's the Borg designation for it. (and I can't stand that because it suggests that Earth is the starting point of the galaxy!)

I chose Sirius purely as a reference point (as the brightest star that can be seen from all star systems in the sector), without knowing what the Starfleet designation would be for the sector.

 

[Fang66]

I suppose you could look at it like this...

Galaxy
Galactic Quadrant
Sector (A collection of star systems and open space)
Sector Quadrant (The sector divided up)
Star System

Or in the 80 year between TOS and TNG language evolved.

 

[Admiral Shran]

That's the Borg designation for it. (and I can't stand that because it suggests that Earth is the starting point of the galaxy!)

I chose Sirius purely as a reference point (as the brightest star that can be seen from all star systems in the sector), without knowing what the Starfleet designation would be for the sector.

It's not the Borg designation, it's the Starfleet one. The Borg might have used it in other episodes, but we first hear it come from Worf's mouth in The Best of Both Worlds, Part I when he tells Riker where the Cube is heading.

WORF: Sir, the coordinates they have set, they're on a direct course to sector zero zero one. The Terran system.
RIKER: Earth.

And given that Earth is the de facto capital of the Federation and that all the founding members are possibly located in its sector, it makes sense that it would be listed as number one.

 

[Pauln6]

Perhaps I should have said, “an urban heterosexual male who has many of the perceived characteristics of urban gay men.” Like being the only straight guy in a fabric store or antique shop who hasn’t been dragged there by a woman.

The Urban Dictionary: Metrosexual

Quite so - there are plenty of knuckle-dragging gay men. They just aren't noticably different from straight men to the casual eye and therefore never feature on TV unless a soap opera has decided to do a story about how angst-ridden they are. A lot of them really just get on with life without any angst whatsoever.

 

[Gary7]

I suppose you could look at it like this...

Galaxy
Galactic Quadrant
Sector (A collection of star systems and open space)
Sector Quadrant (The sector divided up)
Star System

Yeah, that makes sense to me. I think in TOS that they didn't have the full scale measurement system yet in mind that appeared later on in TNG.

 

[David cgc]

What was inappropriate had nothing to do with extraneous factors like race; what was inappropriate was that it was an abuse of power on Spock's part, given that Uhura was his student.

That is true, but it's more a case of personal ethics. There is nothing that prevents a University lecturer from dating a student. Granted, your colleagues may frown upon it and you might attract attention from other students and accusations of favouritism. But there isn't really anything wrong with it as such.

I agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with a teacher/student relationship, as long as it occurs AFTER they are no longer teacher and student.

And where's the evidence that this wasn't the case? She referred to her scores in Spock's class in the past tense, quoting her final evaluation, and she went to him to get reassigned because he was the first officer of the Enterprise, not because he was her instructor.

 

[Admiral Shran]

It's also presented as a relationship that has been going for a while, not something that just started.

 

[T'Girl]

And where's the evidence that this wasn't the case? She referred to her scores in Spock's class in the past tense, quoting her final evaluation, and she went to him to get reassigned because he was the first officer of the Enterprise, not because he was her instructor.

If she was not presuming upon her current lover for a reassignment, then Uhura should have gone to the first officer of the Farragut, the ship she had been assign to, not the first officer of the ship she wished to go to.

She had herself reassigned to the Enterprise behind the back of the first officer of the Farragut, because Uhura (presumably) wasn't having an affair with that individual.

Uhura utilized her special personal relationship with Spock to obtain a more prestigious posting. And also a posting to the ship where her lover was first officer.

If Uhura wanted to be posted where she would do the most good with her supposed unique skills, why not request (through the Farragut's first officer) a transfer to the USS Truman? Dialog suggests that the Truman, and not the Enterprise, was the ship in command of the fleet that was being sent to Vulcan.

 

[Ziriath]

And when she reassigned herself five minutes before start, it's possible Enterprise has now two main communication officers, and Farragut none, which could be a serious problem later. 'Spock' and 'Uhura' should've been at least discharged, because assignments are de facto orders from superior officers. But subordination seems not to be an important thing in Abramsverze anyway.

 

[Nerys Myk]

And when she reassigned herself five minutes before start, it's possible Enterprise has now two main communication officers, and Farragut none, which could be a serious problem later. 'Spock' and 'Uhura' should've been at least discharged, because assignments are de facto orders from superior officers. But subordination seems not to be an important thing in Abramsverze anyway.

I dont think Uhura was the Main Comm Officer on either ship. Remember she was working in the bowels of the ship when Kirk found her, not on the bridge. She had to replace the guy who was The Main Comm Officer because she knew Romulan. She wasn't supposed to be there.

My impression was the Uhura was assigned to the Enterprise and Spock changed it to the Farragut because he thought people would misinterpret how she got there. All Uhura did was make him change it back.

Insubordination is a keystone of all versions of Star Trek. Kirk and Spock were masters at it, especially Spock. (See the Menagerie)

 

[Deimos Anomaly]

If your "half" something, you have to choose between one or the other. Obviously that happened a lot with Spock, but you also saw it with B'Elanna Torres, and i think others who were mixed.

It's also odd that whenever someone is "half" something, they almost always end up embracing their "alien" half. Spock chose to be a Vulcan. Troi chose to be Betazoid. It's even forced on characters who want to embrace their Human heritage - Torres and Alexander didn't want to embrace their Klingon sides, but others essentially made them.

To an extent that happens in real life. If you live in America (and to a lesser extent Britain too) and are half black half white, society forces you to be black. Can you imagine Halle Berry or Barack Obama trying to self identify as white? What a shitstorm that would be... it would throw a great many people into confusion. People would be scarcely able to process it. The power of societal convention is that strong, that many people would be almost incapable of comprehending that it was no less logical than self identifying as black.

Perhaps the ST writers were trying to make a subtle commentary there, or perhaps it was coincidental and never occurred to them. Indeed, perhaps it was their own unconcious preconceived ideas showing through in their work, as a result of having been raised in the same above-mentioned US culture and societal conventions.

 

[Count Zero]

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