At least, the original versions are available to purchase or through seamless branching in the case of Trek.
SW blu-rays have changes to the films again
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One thing about the Lapti Nek song is that it's mostly happening in the background, whereas "Jedi Rocks" is front and center. It also has a slightly 'alien' sound to it, whereas Jedi Rocks sounds like a mishmash of different genre songs.
Also Boba's flirting somewhat later on seems out of character, in the original he seems totally disinterested in what's going on.
Also Boba's flirting somewhat later on seems out of character, in the original he seems totally disinterested in what's going on.
And, as I said, the effects changes in TMP and TOS-R is pretty pale in comparison to the stuff changed in the OT.
I mean you really can't compare them. TOS-R's changes came to make the series still viable for a HD world. TMP was, mostly, a gimmick but well executed.
In the case of the changes made to OT a lot of pointless bullshit was added not to mention the infamous changes that make large impacts on the movie. (Greedo shooting first, Jabba in the hangar bay, Jedi Rocks.)
So, yeah, them replacing decades old model shots with CGI recreations is hardly the same thing.
I mean you really can't compare them. TOS-R's changes came to make the series still viable for a HD world. TMP was, mostly, a gimmick but well executed.
In the case of the changes made to OT a lot of pointless bullshit was added not to mention the infamous changes that make large impacts on the movie. (Greedo shooting first, Jabba in the hangar bay, Jedi Rocks.)
So, yeah, them replacing decades old model shots with CGI recreations is hardly the same thing.
For less than sixty seconds. There are longer musical numbers in The Godfather.
Even Spielberg, one of Lucas's friends, seems to be distancing himself-the Close Encounters blu-ray has all three edits of the film, as will the upcoming ET bluray, and of course the announced Jaws and Jurassic Park stuff will be untouched apart from being converted to HD.
The only unknown is the Indiana Jones box set, which reportedly we'll get some news on next week. The DVDs were untouched apart from some issues with the sound (Marion's scream in the Well of Souls when she sees the mummies is mixed wrong, and Willie's plea for Indy has the stutter edited out for some reason).
The only unknown is the Indiana Jones box set, which reportedly we'll get some news on next week. The DVDs were untouched apart from some issues with the sound (Marion's scream in the Well of Souls when she sees the mummies is mixed wrong, and Willie's plea for Indy has the stutter edited out for some reason).
Those are content changes signed off on by the original creator. Did Roddenberry agree to TMP and TOS-R?
Many of the OT changes were replacing decades-old model shots with CGI recreations.
Hell, TMP was released on VHS in a version with scenes that were totally unfinished and you can see the surrounding stage.
And though I don't like them, it's hard to believe Greedo shooting first and Jedi Rocks make a 'large impact' on the movie.
I don't think most Star Wars fans are objecting to the updating of FX... it's all the other, oft-bizarre changes and amendments. So much of it is done just because they CAN, rather than a dramatic need.
As others have said, Lucas had the "technology" to have Darth Vader shout "Nnnnoooo!" in ROTJ back in 1983. He didn't. I get fed up of Lucas telling us "this is how I wanted the movies made, I just couldn't do it at the time due to technology limitations" when most of the objections from fans is not on these changes.
Also, the biggest frustration of fans is not having the originals released alongside the Updated Versions on Blu-Ray (yes, they were released non-anamorphic and ripped from the laserdic editions on DVD). This is something Trek got so right - the redone TOS episodes also had the original, unenhanced (though still beautiful remastered) versions right alongside them.
If Lucas did the same, I bet there wouldn't be as much belly-aching. He claims it's a matter of money, though an expert (who has done similar restoration to films like Citizen Kane) has estimated it should cost just less than $1m to do this per film.
Given that the 2004 DVD release of a Star Wars box set made $40m in its first day of sales, $3m seems like an acceptable amount of money...
This is all ironic given George Lucas' 1988 speech about the importance of preserving original films/art works and his contempt for those who would seek to change/alter them in any way...
Please don't be naive. This particular change does make an impact. It takes the edge off a character, makes him a little less interesting.
It's the 21st Century. If you really want to see the original Star Wars, you can see the original Star Wars. What is the problem then?
I don't think it makes a 'huge' impact. It's a slight change. It's subjective, of course.
Maybe I've just seen the original so many times it just refuses to be overwritten in my head. He still casually kills him.
This is my take. Is the issue that the originals aren't available on blu-ray/DVD? That's the huge affront here? I still have my VHS widescreen re-mastered set. Nobody destroyed that.
It makes a huge impact when you consider it's the first time we meet the character. We meet him in a place and under circumstances where, sure, maybe we shouldn't trust him, and by make Greedo shoot at all, makes it seem like this could be some noble self-defence act (Han shooting back) but by letting Han just shoot him gives an edge to the character.. and like the best Westerns, not everyone we meet are to be trifled with. Plus, this is exactly the point in the film where the canvas of characters and places are expanding, so adding this edge to the material actually makes the universe more interesting
And so do I, unfortuantely VHS is a crap format, looks like ass, and, oh, I don't have a VCR anymore because that's a decades old technology that's fallen out of vogue.
Lucas would probably call that 'your problem' I'd say.
For whatever reason, probably some 'artistic' reason for whatever, he doesn't want to release the original films on blu-ray. The DVD version that came out was throwing the purists a bone, I guess, but even that wasn't as good as they might've done.
I know when I got my VHS boxed remastered set that was widely advertised as 'the last time Star Wars will be available in its original version' and that ended up being the case for the most part.
Well, download it then. I'm sure it's available, and it's not as if you were stealing something that you could buy instead.
Eh, I meant the tour around the galaxy bit, but again, if you're watching all six, then putting Hayden in there isn't so terrible (would be nice if it were better done...)
Again, it's another argument for both sides existing side by side. Star Wars should be considered nine films: the holy trilogy and the six film saga. I swear, half the internet would disappear tomorrow if that happened.
I'm sorry, I don't get it. If you want to see the original movie, yeah, it will look like crap. If you want to have HD sound and pictures, there may be some tweaks and edits here and there. It's a matter of priority, you don't get to have both at the same time, but you can enjoy both of them separately, which is pretty good.
Why is it hard to understand? I, and many other people, want the original movies -as they appeared in their first runs- on the best-quality available format for this day-and-age, that being Blue-Ray disc.
VHS looks like crap. It'll look even more like crap on an HD TV.
The transfers on the 2007 (?) sets aren't cleaned up or anamorphic for present-day TVs and viewing. So they don't look as good as possible.
I, and many others, don't like the larger changes in the OT that've been made over the last 14-15 years and want the originals.
I can deal with cleaning up actual SFX flaws, replacing old SFX especially if the old effects won't look good in these richer formats.
But what's bad is just all of the bullshit that's been added or changed and a lot of it for no more reason than "because we can." Is "Jedi Rocks" really a scene that needed to be added? Is entertaining? Does it fit with the tone of the movie(s)? Did Greedo really have to shoot first? Why was that a change that needed to be made after decades of being Han making the initial shot?
I mean there's cleaning things up, correcting errors and stuff like that and then there's, well, adding bullshit.
Greedo Shoots First
Shitty-looking CGI Jabba in the landing bay.
Jedi Rocks
A metric fuck-ton of poor-looking CGI characters in all three movies.
And, now, the "Noooo" in Jedi.
That's all stuff that's not updating a movie to more modern formats that's just dicking around with them for the sake of dicking around with them.
And yet, through all of that, there's still poorly done mattes, inconsistent light saber effects and other errors in the old movies that could be fixed to make them look better.
But, hey, Obi-Won's krayt dragon call is now slightly different!
VHS looks like crap. It'll look even more like crap on an HD TV.
The transfers on the 2007 (?) sets aren't cleaned up or anamorphic for present-day TVs and viewing. So they don't look as good as possible.
I, and many others, don't like the larger changes in the OT that've been made over the last 14-15 years and want the originals.
I can deal with cleaning up actual SFX flaws, replacing old SFX especially if the old effects won't look good in these richer formats.
But what's bad is just all of the bullshit that's been added or changed and a lot of it for no more reason than "because we can." Is "Jedi Rocks" really a scene that needed to be added? Is entertaining? Does it fit with the tone of the movie(s)? Did Greedo really have to shoot first? Why was that a change that needed to be made after decades of being Han making the initial shot?
I mean there's cleaning things up, correcting errors and stuff like that and then there's, well, adding bullshit.
Greedo Shoots First
Shitty-looking CGI Jabba in the landing bay.
Jedi Rocks
A metric fuck-ton of poor-looking CGI characters in all three movies.
And, now, the "Noooo" in Jedi.
That's all stuff that's not updating a movie to more modern formats that's just dicking around with them for the sake of dicking around with them.
And yet, through all of that, there's still poorly done mattes, inconsistent light saber effects and other errors in the old movies that could be fixed to make them look better.
But, hey, Obi-Won's krayt dragon call is now slightly different!
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