SW blu-rays have changes to the films again
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The original song is only catchy because I've heard it a million times for about 30 years. Quality-wise it's crap. They both are, really.
More or less than Hayden Christensen as the Force Ghost at the end? 
More. That never really bothered me, just the execution of it.More or less than Hayden Christensen as the Force Ghost at the end?
More or less than Hayden Christensen as the Force Ghost at the end?
That's a very strange moment, but at least it's brief and off the screen quickly.
You know, there comes a time in a young-man's life when he can either become a Star Trek fan or a Star Wars fan (or neither, I guess) I've always felt I made the right choice in being a huge Trekkie over a Warsie. This only confirms my choice was the right one.
For all of the mistakes and faults Trek has made over the last 40-some years at least they've never done stuff like this or any of the incredibly stupid stuff Lucas has done the last 30 years.
Oh that would hilarious
-The Genesis CGI sequence would be updated
-V'Ger would be redone
-New shots of the Khan's ship VS the Enterprise
-Enterprise D vs klingon bird of prey redone
As they've said, it was changed way back in the 1997 Special Edition. It's the line that Luke says after R2-D2 gets spit out by the swamp monster that tries to eat him on Dagobah when they first crash land there in The Empire Strikes Back. The original 1980 line is "You're lucky you don't taste very good." The 1997 version used an alternate take in which Luke says, "You were lucky to get out of there."
Why the change? I have no idea. I heard somewhere that, in 1997, the original negative of Luke's original line was damaged or unusable for some reason so they resorted to an alternate take. But I honestly don't remember where I heard that or if there's anything to corroborate that reason.
While I don't mind all of Lucas' changes, I think there are some that make everything weaker. Some changes I actually applaud, like replacing Clive Revill with Ian McDiarmid as the Emperor Palpatine hologram in The Empire Strikes Back. I also can't fault him for changing Anakin Skywalker's eye colors and erasing his eyebrows and other nitpicky matching things like that.
I appreciate the effort to bolster some of the FX work. Although he seems to be inscrutably selective with what gets FX attention and what doesn't. The garbage mattes are a constant problem, particularly in The Empire Strikes Back, and are an easy fix. I think most 1st year computer graphics students could have photoshopped those out quite easily using 2004 technology. Yet he eschews those in favor of cramming inoffensive but unneccessary CGI flying robots in the Mos Eisley scenes and adding an oddly unintimidating mouth to the Sarlacc.
But here's my short list of stuff that even I can't justify:
1. Greedo shooting first. It's not even about how it supposedly diminishes Han's badass stature. It's the fact that it just doesn't look very good. It looks awkward. And it looks awkward because it's trying to shoehorn something into the scene that was clearly never intended. It's not like it was a tiny error that was overlooked in the heat of production or something that he couldn't afford to shoot back in 1977. If he wanted Greedo to shoot first back then, he would have shot it that way then. But changing it like this just looks messy. [EDIT] At least Lucas kinda fixed it in the 2004 version. He's too proud to excise it altogether but he makes it faster and thus less obtrusive.
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There are a bunch of seemingly insignificant lines that are changed from the OT to the special editions. Han's "It's all right, trust me" got changed to something like "It's all right, I can see much better now" when he shoots the tentacle off of Lando in the pit.
Regarding the change to Luke's line...there was a long, detailed discussion on that subject in these parts years ago. Somebody brought up the fact that the original theatrical films had different sound mixes for theaters with different types of sound systems, and that there were some minor dialogue differences in these alternate mixes. Thus Luke's line in the more recent editions may have been just as much a part of the theatrical release, but wasn't the one we'd become used to on home video for all those years.
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2. Adding the scenes of Darth Vader taking his shuttle from Bespin back to his Star Destroyer. These disrupt the flow of the ending and are completely unnecessary. We can infer how Vader got from A to B, particularly since Vader says, "Bring my shuttle." Except now, he says, "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." And while I don't mind the new line so much, it just doesn't sound like Darth Vader. It sounds like someone doing a bad Darth Vader impression. Can't they re-loop this one or digitally tweak it so that it at least matches the timbre & resonance of the rest of his lines?
3. Replacing the ghost of Anakin Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi. In principle, I think replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen makes sense. We spent two whole movies getting to know Christensen's version of Anakin. Shaw is just some random old guy. He was fine for the time back when we had more of a blank for our own imagination to fill in about young Obi-Wan's adventures with a pre-Dark Side Anakin. But since the prequels have filled in that time period, it just makes sense to change it so that it matches. However, there is one thing I miss: In the original version, there's this great moment of eye contact between Obi-Wan & Anakin, carrying a lot of emotion in just that one look between old friends finally reunited. The Christensen version misses that because Christensen isn't looking in the same direction. Now, while Obi-Wan looks at him, Anakin looks down.
4. If these stories about Darth Vader screaming "No!" while throwing Emperor Palpatine down the pit are true, this will probably occupy the 4th spot on the list. Now, maybe I'm wrong and maybe the whole thing in context will work. However, I doubt it. And it makes me lose a tiny little bit of respect for Lucas, who I thought was at least sensitive enough to respond to some criticisms. Jar Jar Binks became a walking punchline so he greatly diminished his role in the subsequent prequels. Greedo shooting first became a focal point of nerd rage so he at least tried to smooth it over and make it less intrusive in the 2004 version. So why didn't he get the hint that everyone laughed at Vader's big "No!" in Revenge of the Sith?
P.S. If I had my druthers, I would have them re-do all of the lightsaber blades throughout A New Hope & The Empire Strikes Back. They lack consistency in color and thickness, particularly when compared to the uniformity in the prequels. Even Return of the Jedi is pretty consistent. But A New Hope & The Empire Strikes Back are just too hopelessly far-gone and need to start over from scratch.
2. Adding the scenes of Darth Vader taking his shuttle from Bespin back to his Star Destroyer. These disrupt the flow of the ending and are completely unnecessary. We can infer how Vader got from A to B, particularly since Vader says, "Bring my shuttle." Except now, he says, "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." And while I don't mind the new line so much, it just doesn't sound like Darth Vader. It sounds like someone doing a bad Darth Vader impression. Can't they re-loop this one or digitally tweak it so that it at least matches the timbre & resonance of the rest of his lines?
3. Replacing the ghost of Anakin Skywalker at the end of Return of the Jedi. In principle, I think replacing Sebastian Shaw with Hayden Christensen makes sense. We spent two whole movies getting to know Christensen's version of Anakin. Shaw is just some random old guy. He was fine for the time back when we had more of a blank for our own imagination to fill in about young Obi-Wan's adventures with a pre-Dark Side Anakin. But since the prequels have filled in that time period, it just makes sense to change it so that it matches. However, there is one thing I miss: In the original version, there's this great moment of eye contact between Obi-Wan & Anakin, carrying a lot of emotion in just that one look between old friends finally reunited. The Christensen version misses that because Christensen isn't looking in the same direction. Now, while Obi-Wan looks at him, Anakin looks down.
4. If these stories about Darth Vader screaming "No!" while throwing Emperor Palpatine down the pit are true, this will probably occupy the 4th spot on the list. Now, maybe I'm wrong and maybe the whole thing in context will work. However, I doubt it. And it makes me lose a tiny little bit of respect for Lucas, who I thought was at least sensitive enough to respond to some criticisms. Jar Jar Binks became a walking punchline so he greatly diminished his role in the subsequent prequels. Greedo shooting first became a focal point of nerd rage so he at least tried to smooth it over and make it less intrusive in the 2004 version. So why didn't he get the hint that everyone laughed at Vader's big "No!" in Revenge of the Sith?
P.S. If I had my druthers, I would have them re-do all of the lightsaber blades throughout A New Hope & The Empire Strikes Back. They lack consistency in color and thickness, particularly when compared to the uniformity in the prequels. Even Return of the Jedi is pretty consistent. But A New Hope & The Empire Strikes Back are just too hopelessly far-gone and need to start over from scratch.
Kinda like when Back to the Future was released on DVD and everyone was a bit surprised by Doc's much more subdued delivery of, "Marty, you made it;" which I gather is how it was in the original theatrical version but didn't match the more excitable delivery that we had gotten used to for 15 years on home video.
The TPM DVD also threw in a scene where Anakin, Padme, and her party ride an air taxi.
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You know, there comes a time in a young-man's life when he can either become a Star Trek fan or a Star Wars fan (or neither, I guess) I've always felt I made the right choice in being a huge Trekkie over a Warsie. This only confirms my choice was the right one.
For all of the mistakes and faults Trek has made over the last 40-some years at least they've never done stuff like this or any of the incredibly stupid stuff Lucas has done the last 30 years.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I see this is wide spread and in the end as inevitable as picking a favorite team, country or God; Hell, it's even happened between prequels, sequels and various Generations. As for myself and the Sci-Fi friends I've grown up, we more or less enjoy Star Trek, Star Wars and every Battlestar, Firefly and Babylon Station in between. It would seem we have no choice.
You know, there comes a time in a young-man's life when he can either become a Star Trek fan or a Star Wars fan (or neither, I guess) I've always felt I made the right choice in being a huge Trekkie over a Warsie. This only confirms my choice was the right one.
For all of the mistakes and faults Trek has made over the last 40-some years at least they've never done stuff like this or any of the incredibly stupid stuff Lucas has done the last 30 years.[/QUOTE]
Indeed. I see this is wide spread and in the end as inevitable as picking a favorite team, country or God; Hell, it's even happened between prequels, sequels and various Generations. As for myself and the Sci-Fi friends I've grown up, we more or less enjoy Star Trek, Star Wars and every Battlestar, Firefly and Babylon Station in between. It would seem we have no choice.
Khan shot first!
Well, to be fair, updating the effects is one thing, (see: TMP DVD release, the HD version of TOS) but I'm talking about the adding of bullshit, changing things, and the out-right massacre Lucas has been committing over the last 15 years.
Yeah, just imagine if they'd remastered the effects in one of the Trek movies. Or, if they'd totally remastered all the effects in one of the Trek TV series.
Oh wait, they did both. At least the creator was involved though, right? I'm sure they dug up Roddenberry and asked him if it was ok.
Re: Full list of Star Wars blu-ray deleted scenes
One of the ESB deleted scenes (an extended version of Han and Leia's argument) has appeared via Entertainment Weekly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-MPlxSxFF4&feature=player_embedded
One of the ESB deleted scenes (an extended version of Han and Leia's argument) has appeared via Entertainment Weekly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-MPlxSxFF4&feature=player_embedded
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