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Is it really that super unrealistic Kirks rank jump...

The only people who seem to take issue with Kirk's rank are the same ones who take issue with lens flares.

I don't care about the lens flares. I think Kirk's rank doesn't really make too much sense.

Just having a qualm with a movie doesn't automatically put someone into some neat little group like you often seem to do.
 
The only people who seem to take issue with Kirk's rank are the same ones who take issue with lens flares.

I don't care about the lens flares. I think Kirk's rank doesn't really make too much sense.

Just having a qualm with a movie doesn't automatically put someone into some neat little group like you often seem to do.

Stop trying to take me out of my neat little group! It's warm and fuzzy in here. :scream:
 
It would have been less silly if they just ended the last movie with a medal, fleet wide recognition as a badass, and a promotion to commander at the most, and then just opened up the second movie with him as captain or becoming captain.

That would be like if in the star wars prequels, during the first movie anakin turned into darth vader because someone threw away his action figures as a kid and he snapped. However the star wars prequels sucked ass for many other various reasons.

This sums ir up for me, although I would have liked to see the final scene following the medal pretty much the same but with a caption saying 'Three years later' where Kirk strolls onto the bridge and looks around like he's come home and Spock elects to remain on the ship as his first officer.

Anakin's fate in SW3 is also the thing I liked least about the prequel trilogy. It was fine to see him descend into rage-fuelled wickedness but it would have made more sense if Padme had dumped him earlier in the movie. The biggest error in my view was naming him as Darth Vader and explicitly tying the prequel up in a bow ready for the sequel trilogy. We don't need to know who Vader is now, we will find that out in Empire. We don't need to know who Luke and Leia are, we find that our in RotJ. IThe last half an hour of the movie is just revealing spoilers to my future grandchildren. What were they thinking and why haven't they released an anti-spoiler cut of the movie - dammit! Leave Anakin burning on the side of the volcano as his final scene and move on. Why do they think that modern movie audiences need things spelled out so explicity?

The original trilogy ended nearly 30 years ago, they're hardly spoilers now. In any event, what makes you think anyone would want to trudge through the utter train-wreck that was Return of the Jedi?
 
The biggest error in my view was naming him as Darth Vader and explicitly tying the prequel up in a bow ready for the sequel trilogy. We don't need to know who Vader is now, we will find that out in Empire. We don't need to know who Luke and Leia are, we find that our in RotJ. IThe last half an hour of the movie is just revealing spoilers to my future grandchildren.

The original trilogy ended nearly 30 years ago, they're hardly spoilers now. In any event, what makes you think anyone would want to trudge through the utter train-wreck that was Return of the Jedi?

My friend's 5-year old has just watched the Star Wars movies 1-6 in order this month. He didn't know any spoilers. They're children's movies. I watched Empire when I was 9 and was blown away by the reveal. It appeals to me that fresh generations can have that same feeling. Revealing as much as they did in Revenge of the Sith wasn't necessary and removes that element unless you watch them out of order obviously. That's always an option of course but it seems odd that that was the intention. Oh and as a 13-year old I loved RotJ.
 
The biggest error in my view was naming him as Darth Vader and explicitly tying the prequel up in a bow ready for the sequel trilogy. We don't need to know who Vader is now, we will find that out in Empire. We don't need to know who Luke and Leia are, we find that our in RotJ. IThe last half an hour of the movie is just revealing spoilers to my future grandchildren.

The original trilogy ended nearly 30 years ago, they're hardly spoilers now. In any event, what makes you think anyone would want to trudge through the utter train-wreck that was Return of the Jedi?

My friend's 5-year old has just watched the Star Wars movies 1-6 in order this month. He didn't know any spoilers. They're children's movies. I watched Empire when I was 9 and was blown away by the reveal. It appeals to me that fresh generations can have that same feeling. Revealing as much as they did in Revenge of the Sith wasn't necessary and removes that element unless you watch them out of order obviously. That's always an option of course but it seems odd that that was the intention. Oh and as a 13-year old I loved RotJ.

Well good for you, I'll still take Revenge of the Sith over that Return of the Jedi nonsense any day. At least Revenge of the Sith didn't have Ewoks, those horrible creatures were more irritating than Jar Jar Binks. Anyway, do you just not get the concept of prequels? Most people don't watch prequels before watching the original work, they watch them after they see the original work.
 
Well good for you, I'll still take Revenge of the Sith over that Return of the Jedi nonsense any day. At least Revenge of the Sith didn't have Ewoks, those horrible creatures were more irritating than Jar Jar Binks. Anyway, do you just not get the concept of prequels? Most people don't watch prequels before watching the original work, they watch them after they see the original work.

Maybe, but he made the movie half an hour longer than it needed to be to tie up everything that was going to be revealed later on and even then still managed to contradict himself (unless you accept that Leia remembers her real mother from the ten seconds before she died for no medical reason whatsoever).
 
I should never have brought up the awful star wars prequel trilogy. I have opened pandora's box! Forgive me! :rommie:
 
Abandon all hope ye who enter this debate! I swear, bringing up the sorry Prequel Trilogy and the down right corny Original Trilogy is just asking for trouble!
 
Nothing wrong with the prequel trilogy. People forget that Star Wars was never meant to be high brow adult sci-fi. It was intended for children of all ages, based on the Saturday sci-fi serials during Lucas' childhood.
 
Starts with a battle, then somthin' for the laydeeees, Something for Mom and Dad and something for their dog Pouf. It has pod racing and some bad-ass sword fights. It has the wacky comic relief and ends with explosions. Pretty much sums up the whole Star Wars saga, don't it?? Big fuckin' woop. Dig it for what it is, or stay home and memorize Harlan Ellison's rant about Roddenberry so you can perform it at the Creation Talent Show. The winner gets an autographed statue of Neelix's left testicle and a lifetime subscription to Omni.
 
I'm no fan of the abrams reboot, but it is 100 times better than any of the SW preqels. Abrams is a far more capable director than George Lucas, who hasn't directed anything good since 1977.

Who puts long, boring, droning, political crap and the mass murder of children in a kids movie? Not to mention watching the protaganist violently burn alive after abusing his wife to death. Lets not forget revenge of the sith had a pg13 rating. The "it's just a kids movie" excuse for those crappy movies doesn't fly at all. Lucas has thrown an awful lot of needlessly complex plot devices and political content for a kids movie. My little cousin jimmy's favorite part was the nonsensical and convoluted plot about trade disputes and senate hearings. That sort of crap is just the tip of the iceburg.

http://redlettermedia.com/plinkett/star-wars/
 
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I guess the "it's for kids" claims should be taken about as seriously as Roddenberry's "it's Wagon Train to the stars". A sales pitch with a kernel of truth in there, but mostly aimed to obfuscate.

Certainly the movie genre from which Lucas' successful Indiana Jones got its inspiration was aimed at a somewhat more juvenile audience than the 1980s products. And things tailored for kids are few and far in between in SWI-III, but the precedent for this sort of boy scout adventure entertainment exists, and is made use of (and fun of) in SWIV-VI. The fun in SWI-III just doesn't manifest much...

Timo Saloniemi
 
It's also possible that people who loved SW as a kid are now judging the PT though the eyes of an adult instead of who they were back then. TOS purists certainly look at all Star Trek through that filter and thus eschew the other series and movies.
 
It's also possible that people who loved SW as a kid are now judging the PT though the eyes of an adult instead of who they were back then.

I used to think that after Phantom Menace, but the subsequent two films are pretty terrible. I suppose kids could enjoy them if they sleep through the non-battle parts of Ep II, but I wouldn't take any small children to Ep. III.

If you haven't seen the prequels, skip them and watch Plinkett's reviews instead: just as long, better written and more entertaining.
 
It's also possible that people who loved SW as a kid are now judging the PT though the eyes of an adult instead of who they were back then.


Sorry to let you down, dude. Saw the original Star Wars as an adult. Saw TESB and ROTJ as an adult. Saw the fucking prequels as an adult.

The prequels are lame.

ROTJ isn't anything to write home about, either.

You're welcome to keep Neelix's nuts, if that's what revs you up.
 
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