Yes it does. No need to get all upset because you got that wrong though Chris.
Stargazer style Robau series....
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Yes it does. No need to get all upset because you got that wrong though Chris.
I would read a Kelvin novel series in an instant.
Me too. Let's have some instead of more TOS novels
About all they took from the books were the names, and at that, I don't recall Winona being mentioned on-screen as Mrs. Kirk's name. Final Frontier 'established' that George Kirk died shortly after Kirk entered the Academy, so Spock Prime's assertion in the new film that Kirk's pop lived to see him assume command of the Enterprise doesn't work with novel continuity. I don't recall what backstory went into Best Destiny... but I am sure it's consistent since both were written by Diane Carey.
I know that Time for Yesterday by A. C. Crispin mentions Winona's recent death... putting those events about 2-3 months prior to The Wrath of Khan.
Anyway, that has little to do with the Robau stories (which I would be all for)... but since the topic of Kirk's parents was brought up...
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The canon clash is with the novel Final Frontier, not the movie The Final Frontier. The novel, written by Diane Carey, tells the story of the first voyage of the starship Enterprise under Captain Robert April and first officer George Kirk.
Unless, of course, you are stating that ST09 is the worst Star Trek film ever... in which case, I basically agree with you, though Nemesis and The Voyage Home come pretty close in my book.
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I much enjoyed both Star Trek V and Diane Carey's Final Frontier. But I loved STXI.
I say nab what bits are salvagable from Carey's George/Winona backstories (heck, I'd nab whatever's compatible or can be adapted from Shatner's version of the character, Joseph Kirk, too). Most of the stuff that needs to be ignored (George going MIA while JTK was a cadet) comes years and years after they would have been on the Kelvin, anyway!
IIRC, George married Winona age 19 and was talked into joining Starfleet around that time by Robert April. They ended up Super Best Friends. I'd love a Carey-influenced April to be part of the Kelvin series - maybe as part of Robau's senior crew? Or as captain of another ship? Ohhhh, the possibilities....
I say nab what bits are salvagable from Carey's George/Winona backstories (heck, I'd nab whatever's compatible or can be adapted from Shatner's version of the character, Joseph Kirk, too). Most of the stuff that needs to be ignored (George going MIA while JTK was a cadet) comes years and years after they would have been on the Kelvin, anyway!
IIRC, George married Winona age 19 and was talked into joining Starfleet around that time by Robert April. They ended up Super Best Friends. I'd love a Carey-influenced April to be part of the Kelvin series - maybe as part of Robau's senior crew? Or as captain of another ship? Ohhhh, the possibilities....
For the record: memory-alpha lists him as Jim Kirk's stepfather.
^And so does the transcript I was quoting. And so does the novelization. Maybe there were some references to him as an uncle in some early articles, but of course everything in a film's production is subject to change before it's completed (remember how Kirk's brother ended up being changed by a redubbed line into some random kid named Johnny?). Officially, according to all the sources, the character is Kirk's stepfather.
So it still doesn't matter to the point I was making, but I didn't get it wrong.
So it still doesn't matter to the point I was making, but I didn't get it wrong.
Honestly, I don't get the love for Robau. I would read the series because it portrays an era of Federation history that has so far been largely unexplored, but not because of Robau.
There's an interesting point: Will Sam Kirk exist in this hypothetical Kelvin novel universe? He didn't exist in (the final cut of) STXI and if he'll be reinserted into the novels, leaving a baby on earth to adventure through space doesn't reflect well on the Kirks.
Yevetha
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In some senses, yes... though many of us still have great fondness for the older stuff.
Specifically you see an effort, beginning around 2000, to have a strong continuity among the works. The numbered TOS stories could (and often did) contradict one another in some senses. TNG, DS9, and VOY went through a reset in the 2000's, and ENT was continued (with some retconning of "These Are The Voyages"). Now, pretty much all the books exist in their own continuity (unless explicity stated otherwise).
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Technically, the book says he "disappeared" on a mission shortly after Jim entered the Academy. He could have been found some years later--before Kirk became captain.
In the deleted scenes (which you can find on the 2-disc DVD, at the very least), we actually see "Uncle Frank" (voiced in the finished film by that guy whose name currently escapes me, who JJ gives a cameo appearence in all his films), verbally harassing "Johnny", causing the latter to storm off and leave. Jimmy has a talk with him--and it's made clear that the other kid's his brother. "Johnny"/Sam complains that he can't be a Kirk in "Uncle Frank's" house.
But then, the deleted scenes in Nemesis have Commander Madden, the "Jean-Luc" gag (which I frankly do not see as "out-of-character" for Riker--quite the contrary), and seat belts being installed--at long last.
(On the bright side, the Nemesis deleted scenes have Deanna explaining exactly WHY SHE CAN'T SENSE WHETHER SHINZON IS LYING!)
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I was listening to the audio this morning, and I thought they said 'lost with all hands'... but I was in a traffic jam, so I may have missed the finer point of disappeared. Of course, the audio could have said 'lost' and the dead tree 'disappeared'.
Rob+
I thought of an easy way around that, but I'm not sure if it would be entering into story idea territory, so I don't know if I should post it.
No, it seems I got it wrong. My mistake. I was under the impression that he was in fact Kirks Uncle. As I said though, even if you were right, no need to get upset that it was possible that you may have been wrong.
I haven't watched the deleted scenes, but I would assume the name you're searching for is Greg Grunberg.
^My impression is that Grunberg only did the voiceover in the final film. I remember when the film was in production, the news was that Grunberg didn't have a part in the film as everyone expected he would. He wasn't available during the film's shooting schedule due to other commitments. Then later, when the film was in post-production and the Corvette scene was starting to show up in previews, we learned that Grunberg had come in to do the voiceover, something he was free to do at that late stage because his other commitments had ended.
Okay, I found the deleted scene on YouTube. The character is called "Uncle Frank" in that version (though of course as a deleted scene, it doesn't count as canonical information), and is definitely not played by Greg Grunberg. IMDb says it's probably Brad William Henke, and it looks like him.
Okay, I found the deleted scene on YouTube. The character is called "Uncle Frank" in that version (though of course as a deleted scene, it doesn't count as canonical information), and is definitely not played by Greg Grunberg. IMDb says it's probably Brad William Henke, and it looks like him.
