Star Wars:The Clone Wars S3......so far

[Dac]

I don't think anyone can dismiss George for his ideas and artistic vision. It's just his way of telling the story, whether it be scripting or directing that he usually falls down on. At least, those were the weakest links in the prequels and what appear to be things Lucas has seeded to others in the making of The Clone Wars.

 

[Christopher]

He doesn't adhere to the rigid canon that the fans believe should be gospel.

See, what creates the problem here is the way the books have been misleadingly promoted as "canon." Of course the makers of new onscreen Star Wars aren't going to feel restricted by what the books do, since the books are going to be read by maybe 1-2% of the filmgoing audience. The movies and TV shows are the bigger moneymakers by far, so naturally they're going to be given total creative freedom to do whatever they want; the books and comics, much smaller pieces of the pie, have to follow the screen canon's lead, not the other way around. The screen canon is free to draw on ideas from the books and comics as it suits them, but is just as free to ignore or contradict them as it suits them. That's how tie-ins always work, unless the actual showrunner is writing/supervising them personally (as in the Babylon 5 novels outlined by JMS, the Buffy comics "executive produced" by Whedon, and the Gargoyles comics written by Greg Weisman). So it was a false promise on the part of Lucasfilm to claim the books were ever canonical.

 

[David cgc]

Of course, there are people who will claim that the books were never promoted as canonical, just like there was never going to be a sequel trilogy, and Star Wars was always "Episode IV- A New Hope."

 

[Set Harth]

@Set Harth what is wrong with Filoni dare I ask?

I just said that calling him an "icon" is a joke. Being called an "icon" used to mean something, now it's being handed out to someone who was a complete unknown three years ago, just because his work has not been seen as an unmitigated disaster on all possible fronts.

It's called grade inflation. The bar has been lowered.

the main character is the audience's entree into the story - we see the story through his eyes

That's strange, given that he doesn't even show up in TPM until the 31:58 mark.

So now that the character has changed, the motivation must also change, so that the story logic will be maintained. And that's what Filoni & co are busy doing.

No, they aren't. TCW will not "re-do" ROTS. TCW is intended to be a part of the same continuity as ROTS, not a replacement for it. Anakin's ROTS motivation, like the balance of the Force, is in no danger of being discarded by the show.

Nobody wants to be forced to identify with a moron, at least I don't. I resented the hell out of that, and it was a major reason I loathed the PT.

If the author doesn't see the character as a moron, but you do, then you're just getting the story wrong.

his relationship with Padme is now being depicted as a genuine, loving, valid marriage, in which immaturity and insecurity are only minor, and not necessarily fatal, problems.

This makes little sense. The fatal problem in the film was not "immaturity and insecurity", it was impending death ( by definition a necessarily fatal problem ). This problem remains even if the marriage is supposedly improved, though the truth is only that the period between the films is being filled in.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I'm not referring to Filoni being called an "Icon" if that is your problem with him, then I would agree. He's not accomplished anything to deserve being called that. Yeah I will agree with Set Harth regarding Temis's misunderstanding regarding ROTS. That will be untouched. TCW's job is not to undo or remake anything. It's to provide more substance if anything else. They have had a little bit more room to flesh out Anakin's character and make him more well rounded than he was in the movies due to having more story time. That doesn't mean that Filoni and his writers are out to change ROTS and there is no reason to do that. In fact Filoni has stated that season three was the first step into colliding/making the transition into "Revenge of the Sith". Season Four is supposed to increase that.

 

[Mysterion]

Season 4 Preview Trailer: http://www.starwars.com/video/view/001261.html

 

[Destructor]

^ I actually made an attempt at putting the episodes into some sort of order. Though, admittedly, it's just an attempt. I sincerely doubt that it's perfectly accurate. It goes to show, though, that there's plenty of room for the show to keep jumping around, chronologically speaking.

Oh my God thank you so much for this link! I have been looking for exactly this for quite some time. Are you going to update the list anytime soon, it seems to be missing a few important S3 eps at this time?

 

[Yevetha]

He doesn't adhere to the rigid canon that the fans believe should be gospel.

See, what creates the problem here is the way the books have been misleadingly promoted as "canon." Of course the makers of new onscreen Star Wars aren't going to feel restricted by what the books do, since the books are going to be read by maybe 1-2% of the filmgoing audience. The movies and TV shows are the bigger moneymakers by far, so naturally they're going to be given total creative freedom to do whatever they want; the books and comics, much smaller pieces of the pie, have to follow the screen canon's lead, not the other way around. The screen canon is free to draw on ideas from the books and comics as it suits them, but is just as free to ignore or contradict them as it suits them. That's how tie-ins always work, unless the actual showrunner is writing/supervising them personally (as in the Babylon 5 novels outlined by JMS, the Buffy comics "executive produced" by Whedon, and the Gargoyles comics written by Greg Weisman). So it was a false promise on the part of Lucasfilm to claim the books were ever canonical.

Actually Filoni decided to respect canon and like the EU.

Look so far its working, 3 seasons and the EU had minimal casualties.

 

[Christopher]

^Well, yes, there's nothing stopping the creators of a franchise from borrowing ideas from the tie-in literature. They're free to employ or ignore its claims as they wish. But the word "canon" is one that fans ascribe far more weight to than it actually carries, and Lucasfilm's rhetoric about its tie-ins is part of what's perpetuated that misunderstanding of the terminology. After all, we've seen that The Clone Wars has directly contradicted some EU material (specifically the Mandalorian stuff by, what's her name, Karen Traviss?) while incorporating other EU material.

 

[timothy]

oh I know they killed of master peel last season and in the books he did'nt die until much later.

 

[Set Harth]

Actually Filoni decided to respect canon and like the EU.

Not really. They name-drop things from the EU to excite fans, often getting these things wrong in the process. They involved Dathomir and Mandalore only by completely rewriting them and making them unrecognizable compared to the existing versions. As seen in the Even Piell situation, they copy things that worked in the EU and contradict the books whenever they feel like it. They felt the need to use Ryloth but screwed up the one defining feature of the planet. What makes that one particularly galling is that they could easily have escaped it if they had avoided trying to be LOTR and having both day and night scenes in the same place. But, of course, they fell right into the big giant hole right in front of them, which is what happens when you're not really paying attention.

 

[Yevetha]

The only thing that cannot be fixed is Ryloth, everything else can be retconned or explained.

 

[PsychoPere]

I'm not sure how Mandalore could be explained. In TCW, the planet is heavily urbanized and the majority of the populace has embraced pacifism. In Karen Traviss's Republic Commando novels, Mandalore is heavily agrarian; the capital Keldabe is the most urban city but even it pales to the cities in TCW; and the populace embraces the warrior ideals that were always previously associated with Mandalorians pre-TCW.

 

[I Grok Spock]

Actually Filoni decided to respect canon and like the EU.

But, of course, they fell right into the big giant hole right in front of them, which is what happens when you're not really paying attention.

It was GL's decision to veto Ryloth's EU depiction. Filoni had the tidelock worked into the original story for the Ryloth triology, complete with firestorms. It's not an issue of paying attention, but of deliberate decisions. Whether you agree with those decisions is another thing.

 

[Set Harth]

That link doesn't say anything about the tidelock itself being worked into the original version of the story or Filoni even knowing about it. It just says that the planet was originally conceived as a fire-raining, hellish environment and Lucas killed that because he thought it was too much like Mustafar.

 

[Hound of UIster]

I'm not sure how Mandalore could be explained. In TCW, the planet is heavily urbanized and the majority of the populace has embraced pacifism. In Karen Traviss's Republic Commando novels, Mandalore is heavily agrarian; the capital Keldabe is the most urban city but even it pales to the cities in TCW; and the populace embraces the warrior ideals that were always previously associated with Mandalorians pre-TCW.

Karen Traviss Mando-wank. Best solution: dismiss it. It's as idiotic as the stupid glorification of the Klingons in Trek.

 

[Set Harth]

The jungle depiction of Mandalore is from the Marvel comics.

 

[PsychoPere]

Karen Traviss Mando-wank. Best solution: dismiss it. It's as idiotic as the stupid glorification of the Klingons in Trek.

I enjoyed the books, so I have no interest in dismissing it.

The jungle depiction of Mandalore is from the Marvel comics.

I haven't read those. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Set Harth]

I haven't read the Traviss books, but as I understand it she wasn't completely faithful to the Marvel comics either, in that she apparently retconned the mythosaur skeleton into a theme park with a mythosaur skeleton replica.