How would other starship classes have fared in the Delta Quadrant?

[Vanyel]

Crichton was in another galaxy all together.

Actually, he was still in the Milky Way.

John Crichton, an astronaut from present-day Earth. At the start of the series, a test flight involving an experimental spacecraft of his own design dubbed Farscape I goes awry, propelling Crichton through a wormhole to a distant part of the universe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape

Astronaut John Crichton assumes he'll be home in time for dinner. But a freak accident during an experimental space mission catapults him across a thousand galaxies to an alien battlefield.
http://www.henson.com/fantasy_scifi.php?content=farscape

Thrown into a distant part of the universe, an Earth astronaut finds himself part of a fugitive alien starship crew.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0187636/

That would indicate a different galaxy. I will grant that some sites do say a different part of the "galaxy," but they are out numbered by those that say "Universe."

If Voyager was sent to another Galaxy there was no way it could have made it home.

Picard and Kirk did.

With help with more technology advanced beings, a warp speed canon that wasn't set in stone, and people who could, by their nature, influence warp speeds (The Traveler). Without their help they would have been stuck without anyway of getting home.

Besides staying a nebula for a few episodes to a years worth would be boring as hell.

If that nebula contained various civilizations that they could have adventures in, it wouldn't.

VOY needed to be more stationary, so they could flesh out their areas and the peoples like DS9 did by never being able to leave the Bajor/Cardassia thing behind. Or get away from the Dominion.

Possible, but as I understand it nebula are "Stellar Nurseries", it would be unlikely for them to find a habitable planet. They could, find a species that regularly transverse the nebula allowing Voyager the ability to find its way out. Then their position and direction home could be plotted. I stand by my assertion that being stuck in a nebula would be boring.

 

[Anwar]

In the show, Scorpius says that the Peacekeepers would be able to reach Earth in 60 years, and since they aren't shown to have extragalactic FTL power that means they're still in the same Galaxy.

Also, those ancient priest guys who created the Peacekeepers say that they took the primitive inhabitants of a world on the outer edges of the Galaxy (primitive humans).

It's our Galaxy. The show's promo material doesn't mesh with what's said in the show.

With help with more technology advanced beings, a warp speed canon that wasn't set in stone, and people who could, by their nature, influence warp speeds (The Traveler).

Well, VOY was started by such a being doing such a thing so it's not inconceivable it could happen again. There ARE plenty of those folks in Trek...

Possible, but as I understand it nebula are "Stellar Nurseries", it would be unlikely for them to find a habitable planet.

This is Trek, scientific realism ain't their thing.

They can either say that there is plenty of life in the massive nebula (which envelops dozens of not hundreds of star systems) or it's a "new type" of nebula that can support life.

Any sort of plot device to keep them from knowing where they are.

 

[Vanyel]

I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Good night.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Any ship that didn't have Janeway in command would've done far better, IMO.

 

[Ninjacore]

The crew of the original enterprise would have been home in less then a year, Kirk would of had the balls to look after and protect his own crew over aliens he didn't know. Tech wise even the NX-01 was tougher then most of the ships they ran into in the delta quardant.

 

[Anwar]

Any ship that didn't have Janeway in command would've done far better, IMO.

Yes yes, we all know how TOSer hate that the "No women captains" rule of TOS was violated. Get over it.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

Any ship that didn't have Janeway in command would've done far better, IMO.

Yes yes, we all know how TOSer hate that the "No women captains" rule of TOS was violated. Get over it.

Nothing against women Captains, just that particular Captain. But hey, thanks for assuming I'm sexist based on no evidence whatsoever.

 

[PsychoPere]

Farscape: Moya is a huge vessel, doesn't need maintenance since it is organic, and has a teleporting ability no one else does.

Weren't they always running out of food?

Plus the DRDs were constantly doing maintenance, and the crew had to do maintenance on a routine basis as well.

NuBSG ... doesn't need a singe weapons resupply in the entire series ...

Pilot episode.

In addition to the miniseries, resupplies of various sorts were undertaken once the Galactica fleet encountered Pegasus. Also, "Epiphanies" showed ammunition being made onboard Galactica.

 

[Anwar]

Plus the DRDs were constantly doing maintenance, and the crew had to do maintenance on a routine basis as well.

We hardly ever saw the crew doing maintenance, and where did the DRDs get the material and resources needed for said constant maintenance?

PsychoPere[/B];5088536]
In addition to the miniseries, resupplies of various sorts were undertaken once the Galactica fleet encountered Pegasus. Also, "Epiphanies" showed ammunition being made onboard Galactica.

So it's okay for Galactica to make its own ammo, but not VOY?

 

[PsychoPere]

Plus the DRDs were constantly doing maintenance, and the crew had to do maintenance on a routine basis as well.

We hardly ever saw the crew doing maintenance, and where did the DRDs get the material and resources needed for said constant maintenance?

Off-hand, because I'm not as familiar with Farscape as some other series, I can't name a specific episode, but I watched the series a few months ago for the first time and am certain the crew was occasionally involved in maintenance (I admit that "routine basis" was an overstatement). As for materials and resources, the crew often talked about "supplies" when they would make planet-fall, so presumably most of those times involved more than just food-gathering so that the DRDs could continue their repair work.

In addition to the miniseries, resupplies of various sorts were undertaken once the Galactica fleet encountered Pegasus. Also, "Epiphanies" showed ammunition being made onboard Galactica.

So it's okay for Galactica to make its own ammo, but not VOY?

I neither said nor implied that. All I did was add to T'Girl's post pointing out that you were incorrect in your assertion that the Galactica didn't "need a singe weapons resupply in the entire series".

 

[Paradon]

People think the intrepid class is tough little ship and would last in the Delta. Personally, I think Voy was kindda small for an intrepid. Like that was supposed to do anything against the Borg! I think something like the Soveringe Class...think big...would stand a better chance. I don't know. Or maybe the Defiant because of all the armors it had.

 

[Anwar]

Off-hand, because I'm not as familiar with Farscape as some other series, I can't name a specific episode, but I watched the series a few months ago for the first time and am certain the crew was occasionally involved in maintenance (I admit that "routine basis" was an overstatement). As for materials and resources, the crew often talked about "supplies" when they would make planet-fall, so presumably most of those times involved more than just food-gathering so that the DRDs could continue their repair work.

So if they mentioned off-screen resupplying in VOY (which they did), you'd be okay with that?

I neither said nor implied that. All I did was add to T'Girl's post pointing out that you were incorrect in your assertion that the Galactica didn't "need a singe weapons resupply in the entire series".

And we're supposed to believe that these two resupplies were enough to last them as long as they did?

 

[PsychoPere]

So if they mentioned off-screen resupplying in VOY (which they did), you'd be okay with that?

I don't even understand why you're asking. At no point in this thread has anyone questioned and/or criticized the manner in which VOY handled supply issues, so how is it even germane to the topic?

I neither said nor implied that. All I did was add to T'Girl's post pointing out that you were incorrect in your assertion that the Galactica didn't "need a singe weapons resupply in the entire series".

And we're supposed to believe that these two resupplies were enough to last them as long as they did?

I'm fine with assuming that those two resupplies (Ragnar and Pegasus), the machine shops onboard Galactica (and Pegasus, for that matter, during the little over a year they had that ship), the other ships in the fleet (some of which were mining and supply ships), the preference of Galactica not to stand and fight whenever possible, and the year in which the fleet had no contact with Cylons at all was able to last the few months under 4 years from the Cylon Holocaust to Earth.


My first post in this thread was intended as an addition to some of the corrections another poster made to some of your assertions. You seem now to be taking that post as an opportunity to defend VOY from a non-stated slight.

 

[Anwar]

My first post in this thread was intended as an addition to some of the corrections another poster made to some of your assertions. You seem now to be taking that post as an opportunity to defend VOY from a non-stated slight.

Sorry, after 15 years of defending VOY you end up somewhat hostile and irritable at the never-ending negative attitudes that you end up jumpy at stuff that isn't even meant as offense. I know you weren't bashing the show.

 

[FordSVT]

The crew of the original enterprise would have been home in less then a year, Kirk would of had the balls to look after and protect his own crew over aliens he didn't know.

Yeah, he sure put a phaser up that Horta's ass.

I think you're wrong. In fact, I'd say Kirk was the prototypical "I'd never sacrifice innocents, even to save my own crew" Starfleet Captain. Even if the aliens were unfamiliar, Kirk would have held up the Starfleet and Federation ideals that he shared.

 

[Vanyel]

The crew of the original enterprise would have been home in less then a year, Kirk would of had the balls to look after and protect his own crew over aliens he didn't know.

Yeah, he sure put a phaser up that Horta's ass.

I think you're wrong. In fact, I'd say Kirk was the prototypical "I'd never sacrifice innocents, even to save my own crew" Starfleet Captain. Even if the aliens were unfamiliar, Kirk would have held up the Starfleet and Federation ideals that he shared.

I'd have to agree with that. IMO, Picard and Sisko would have done the same. Archer may have been too far out gunned for him to really hold up any ideals except run-like-hell-and-hope-we-can-get-away.

 

[Arpy]

A more powerful ship might have fared a little better...a different crew a little better or worse...but any ship/crew is subject to the writers' whims. There's no way an Intrepid Class starship, or Sovereign or Defiant, should have survived the Borg. Voyager went head to head with a tactical cube and it turns out that the Queen was tracking them all along. That ship should have been so many drone parts.

 

[Vanyel]

A more powerful ship might have fared a little better...a different crew a little better or worse...but any ship/crew is subject to the writers' whims. There's no way an Intrepid Class starship, or Sovereign or Defiant, should have survived the Borg. Voyager went head to head with a tactical cube and it turns out that the Queen was tracking them all along. That ship should have been so many drone parts.

Excerpt for one unanswered question: The Borg Queen's obsession with 7.

That's the unexplained part. Was 7 being groomed to be the next Borg Queen? Was Annika somehow special? Was her release from the Collective, after being a part of it for so long, something the Borg needed to understand? Locutus was Borg for only 6 days, 7 of 9 a few years. Locutus could have been un-assimilated because too much of Picard still remained. 7's humanity should have been gone. Could Unimatrix Zero been the reason she was un-assimilated so relatively easily? Lots of questions, and the Borg queen, the personification of the Collective, needed to know.

 

[Anwar]

There wasn't a real answer, the writers needed an excuse for the Borg to not just blow up the ship in a nanosecond and decided it was the Queen's obsession with Seven.

TNG did the same thing: there were numerous points in BOBW that the Cube could've destroyed the Enterprise but never did.

But a Sovereign would have lasted better, it destroyed that Borg Sphere in FC like it was nothing.

 

[Arpy]

Seven was a regular with a huge rack = popular with fans. There was no reason for her being "special".

God that sounded mean.