It wouldn't kill Paramount to make a 5th TNG movie, or will it?

[Saxman1]

I think the TNG film series was a failure, and it's to be expected. There was a huge amount of inbreeding going on, and unlike with the TOS films, which tried to put the series in the hands of new blood, Braga, Berman, and Moore were continually put in charge.

Gen was terrible. The TOS portions were obviously written by people with no respect for the characters, and every single plot point is ludicrous.

FC is supposed to be a huge success, but no matter what you think of it (I hate it) having to retool the series to make it action oriented and turning the concept of the Borg on its head in order to get people's attention is not making a successful *TNG* movie.

INS was just dull. It comes closest to an episode of the show, but a bad one. Despite the fact that FC did well, INS seems to have been screwed on budget.

NEM, I don't think there's any question here that this is the worst of all Trek films. TFF is more watchable.

So, yes, the TNG film series was a failure. AGT would have been the best goodbye for the series.

THIS!

As far as the cost of TMP, Paramount wrote off all the costs of the aborted second TV series against it.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Well, the studio made money on most of the TNG films so they're hardly all failures - FC was quite popular, and reasonably so. It's one of the four Star Trek movies that I still enjoy watching from time to tim.

 

[Chuckles]

I used to think FC was the best TNG film, but it has aged badly for me. It's popcorn fare, and has the crew acting out of character.

I still prefer Generations even with all it's faults because it has the Enterprise D and the crew is in character with the tv show.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Hmm. I prefer the characters in FC.

 

[Mark 2000]

Hmm. I prefer the characters in FC.

Well then there's about 7 years worth of episodes just put up on Netflix that you're totally going to hate.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hmm. I prefer the characters in FC.

Well then there's about 7 years worth of episodes just put up on Netflix that you're totally going to hate.

Especially season 3, episode 20.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Hmm. I prefer the characters in FC.

Well then there's about 7 years worth of episodes just put up on Netflix that you're totally going to hate.

Probably not. I have them all on tape and a few on Laserdisc somewhere hereabouts, and even helped out on a couple.

I just don't buy the flatfooted assertion that "see, these characters are obviously this over here and that over there, and the two can't live together..." and I don't buy it because I do know and like the series pretty well.

Aside from which I didn't think that Generations did a remarkably successful job of "keeping the characters in character" anyway.

Especially season 3, episode 20.

Hey, every series has its duds and misfires.

 

[Mark 2000]

I, for one, like the ancient space turd episode. I don't thing Gen did a remarkably good job at anything. I like Gen better than FC because it's nice to see the show sets and models lit and rendered so well. To me Gen is the best looking movie.

I think when it comes to characterization the biggest problem in FC is Picard. He's just nuts. Nothing he says or does makes sense. The Borg demons he had were all dealt with in "I, Borg". Its like that episode never happened. And I hate it when crap gets dredged up for no reason. The whole "line must be drawn here" speech was a pack of lies. The Federation never fell back to the Borg. He walks through the whole movie 100% sure that the most violent solution is the best. He's just screaming and crying and petulant. And then he shoots Borg with a tommy gun and swings from the ceiling in a ripped shirt. Nothing on the show could prepare us for this Picard.

 

[SheliakBob]

Eventually The Abomination will run its course, and the fans who grew up with TNG will eventually grow nostalgic about it, and the time WILL come when someone in Hollywood thinks, "I wonder if there'd be any money in doing a retro-TNG film?"

Exactly what the answer to that question is will depend on factors that cannot accurately be predicted right now.

"It will never happen" ?

yeah. And what would you have said about the odds that there would ever be a Major Matt Mason motion picture?
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In another ten to fifteen years, we will probably be chatting about this topic again...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

yeah. And what would you have said about the odds that there would ever be a Major Matt Mason motion picture?

That no group of people trusted to handle large sums of money could be that fucked in their heads?

A conclusion bound to be disappointed, I suppose.

 

[Broccoli]

I think the TNG film series was a failure, and it's to be expected. There was a huge amount of inbreeding going on, and unlike with the TOS films, which tried to put the series in the hands of new blood, Braga, Berman, and Moore were continually put in charge.

Last time I checked, Braga and Moore had nothing to do with Insurrection and Nemesis.

 

[Mark 2000]

The three of them wrote Gen and FC. Berman wrote INS and NEM with Pillar and Logan respectively. NEM was the only attempt to try something new, but it was still Berman working on the script along with (groan) Brent Spiner.