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Babylon 5 viewing order

Well, damn it, I went ahead and watched "Sleeping in Light" last night, and, as it always does, it made me tear up. Such a beautiful ending to the series, a fitting epilogue to the whole story. Sometime this weekend, I'll give "The Lost Tales" another watch. I wasn't too impressed the first time I watched it, but maybe, after having re-watched the series recently, it'll seem better. The last time I watched it, it had been a few years since my last full viewing of the show.

I've been debating watching Crusade again now. I did enjoy it, for what it was, but I also saw the episodes fairly recently, as I got the DVD set about a year and a half ago. I still have to get the movie DVD set and, if I want to be a completist, Legends of the Rangers.
 
Sometime this weekend, I'll give "The Lost Tales" another watch. I wasn't too impressed the first time I watched it
My biggest problem with the Lost Tales is that they're about such random things. If you're going to make the effort to tell some new stories, make them more important.
 
My other problem, and I felt this way with "River of Souls" as well, is that they feel empty. The station doesn't feel as bustling as usual, it doesn't seem as much is going on as usual. I guess because B5 was an ensemble show and most episodes had b and sometimes c-plots with the ambassadors and other goings-on. The smaller casts and more focused plots add to that feeling.
 
That's always going to be the problem with low budget stand-alone project. With a full series the cost of sets, extras, effects etc can be shifted around a bit so some individual episodes look more expensive than they really are. That's why you get bottle shows to counter balance all the money blown one of the "big" episodes and (in the case of B5 at least) why everything takes place in one of five to seven sets that are redressed for purpose. With a movie, pretty much everything has to be paid for in one budget so there's a lot less wiggle room.

Having said all that, I thought 'A Call to Arms' did a pretty good job making the downbelow markets look far more crowded and bustling than they ever did in the show. Part of it may simply be the way it was shot and lit now that I think about it.

With the fact that Byron never really clicked with viewers, what many people miss is that both Byron and Bester say the same things about how the telepaths are 'better' than mundanes and that Byron's reaction when finding out about the meddling of the Vorlons, was that of a child who'd covered up feelings of inferiority with a facade of superiority and then having it ripped away. What was his first reaction? "We could have been normal!" I always found that a very telling scene for the character.

Jan

OK, now I feel like an idiot because that never occurred to me, yet it's so obvious. Probably a crucial difference between Byron and Bester too since I can't see Bester ever reacting like that. Nothing could shake his view on the inherent superiority of telepaths, no matter what their origins.
 
Well, I am sick as a dog, but was able to get two epsiodes in today so far.

"Phoenix Rising" - The telepath arc is over, the telepath arc is over...Horray!!!

This one was a lot better then the other ones as Bester was great, and it felt like Babylon 5 that i know and love. and Byron is gone...whoohoooooooo

Whoooohoooooooooooooooooo


Ahem. Also alcoholism stinks, and looks like someone hitting the bottle again.

"The Ragged Edge" - Very good episode, this is classic Babylon 5, where the heros lie...to protect a friend. I really enjoyed the episode, and was surpised they killed off the pilot. Very good episode.
 
Re: "The Ragged Edge," I really enjoyed the part about Drazi streets. Something as small as this really adds detail to one of the minor races. Sure we learned a little about the Drazi in "The Geometry of Shadows," but here, we really get a sense of them as a culture. To be honest, my knowledge of other cultures here, on Earth, is a bit limited, so I wonder if any Earth cultures had narrow streets for similar reasons. It does make some sense, from a defensive standpoint.

I rewatched "The Lost Tales," today and enjoyed it more today than I did when I first watched it. I won't go into details, as to spoil it for Distorted Humor, but I will say that the fx are awesome. As much as some like to make fun of B5's special effects, I still watch them and remember that they were cutting edge at the time. However, little things in "The Lost Tales," such as seeing "Babylon 5" written above the docking bay was great. The station never looked better!
 
The DVDs are nice, but they're 16:9. I'd prefer to see the 4:3 versions. Oh well.

Since both my TV and DVD player upscale, letterbox is no longer the issue with me that it used to be. I used to hate it.

Why did the Sci-Fi channel do this to Babylon 5 anyway? and if they were going to why every episode and movie EXCEPT the Pilot? I've never understood the point behind it.
 
When Babylon 5 was first produced, the writing was already on the wall that HDTV was coming. They decided to future-proof the show by filming it 16x9. Once widescreen TVs were common, they could re-telecine the film in widescreen and have a preexisting show ready for HD syndication for a fraction of the cost of producing new content. As far as the visual effects go, I've heard conflicting stories about that, but they either thought it wouldn't look as bad as it did cropped and upscaled, or they thought it would be trivially easy to recreate the effects in HD. In the end, a lot of the assumptions behind it were flawed (that syndication TV would remain a major market force, that SD content would be seen as less marketable, like black and white TV was once color came along, that the people who ultimately upscaled the VFX wouldn't be pants-on-head stupid...), but I still appreciate the more modern and cinematic shape to the screen. And we can always live in hope Warner Bros. to do a TOS-R style HD transfer and polish. Just for fun, I've started redoing the visual effects of an episode of B5 for myself. Hell, if I had a modeler to help me out and someone to transfer and clean up the original film (all of it!), I'd do the entire thing myself. I'd probably be working on it until my retirement, but it'd be so much fun.

As for why "The Gathering" wasn't retelecined, the decision to shoot in widescreen happened after it was produced. It was filmed 4x3, with no additional picture on the sides to transfer into 16x9.
 
The DVDs are nice, but they're 16:9. I'd prefer to see the 4:3 versions. Oh well.

Since both my TV and DVD player upscale, letterbox is no longer the issue with me that it used to be. I used to hate it.

Why did the Sci-Fi channel do this to Babylon 5 anyway? and if they were going to why every episode and movie EXCEPT the Pilot? I've never understood the point behind it.
Huh?? SciFi Channel did nothing but air Babylon 5, years after it was made. What are you believing they did to B5?
 
Those are some impressive new graphics, David cgc! It would be amazing to see the series like that. Though I imagine shots mixing live and CG elements would be the hardest to update. And unfortunately those are the ones that look the worst on DVD.

Huh?? SciFi Channel did nothing but air Babylon 5, years after it was made. What are you believing they did to B5?
Sci-Fi was the first channel to show B5 in widescreen. I don't know if they had anything to do with commissioning the transfers, but they did make a big deal out of it at the time. And oh my those first widescreen broadcasts were dire. From errors in the opening titles, to this screw-up that makes it seem like a Narn C&C transport looks a lot like a teapot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V90fc-iTIY4
(Would be funny if it wasn't so depressing!)

The most egregious mistakes were corrected for the next airing, but still... it shows how little care went into making these 16:9 versions. I'm not against new options, but with all these inherent problems I just wish the original 4:3 broadcasts were preserved somewhere we could see them. Laserdisc and VHS aren't really practical anymore. Netflix was awesome, but now it's being removed there too.

Cry...
 
What's weird is season one on iTunes is in fullscreen, but all the other seasons are widescreen.
 
The DVDs are nice, but they're 16:9. I'd prefer to see the 4:3 versions. Oh well.

Since both my TV and DVD player upscale, letterbox is no longer the issue with me that it used to be. I used to hate it.

Why did the Sci-Fi channel do this to Babylon 5 anyway? and if they were going to why every episode and movie EXCEPT the Pilot? I've never understood the point behind it.
Huh?? SciFi Channel did nothing but air Babylon 5, years after it was made. What are you believing they did to B5?

Basically what Snatcher 42 said. Sci-fi was the first to air B5 in widescreen, and I distinctly remember them heavily promoting the show as "Now in widescreen!" once they began airing it. since it was not in widescreen on TNT, that led me to believe that the sci-fi channel remastered or reconfigured it. That's all.
 
Those are some impressive new graphics, David cgc! It would be amazing to see the series like that. Though I imagine shots mixing live and CG elements would be the hardest to update. And unfortunately those are the ones that look the worst on DVD.

Nearly impossible, honestly. There are probably a handful that could be helped from what I have to work with on the DVD (like, there was a clean shot, then a cut away, then a cut back to the first shot, but with an effect over it. Then I could use the effect-free version to help restore the full framing of the effect). Ideally, if someone were doing a proper restoration along these lines, they'd be able to telecine all the footage into HD, including stuff used in live action/visual effects composites, and would redo those effects from scratch.

There is one thing I can fix with just the DVD as a baseline, though. The current transfers treat flashbacks to earlier episodes and stock footage as if they were visual effects, cropping the SD framing instead of using the widescreen versions. That means stuff like "Previously on Babylon 5" segments, or footage of Sinclair in "In the Beginning" can be replaced with the versions from the episodes they were first shot for an instant boost in quality.

And oh my those first widescreen broadcasts were dire. From errors in the opening titles, to this screw-up that makes it seem like a Narn C&C transport looks a lot like a teapot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V90fc-iTIY4
(Would be funny if it wasn't so depressing!)

I'd seen that before, but completely forgot about it, so when I read it, I assumed it was a CG Teapot that had somehow gotten mixed in with the footage from the episode.

But, yeah, I've been noticing a lot of little things I'd like to correct now that I've started skimming DVDs with an eye towards rejiggering the episodes. Stuff like the above-mentioned stock-footage problem (would it have been so hard to just splice in the HD footage they'd already digitized? I realize it wouldn't be in the same box as the film for the episode they were working on at the moment, but they probably did them in order, so they'd already have a clean widescreen version of the stock shot in their system), various issues with the title cards (including episodes using the wrong font, the way they blew the way JMS's credit flashes on-screen in the season 3 credits, and the wildly inconsistent way episode titles are displayed. All caps, not all caps, in quotation marks, not in quotation marks... anything goes!), and shots that were cropped from SD for no apparent reason at all.

And that doesn't even touch the stuff that I'd like to do just for fun even if the widescreen transfer had been done perfectly. For instance, I really want to add spinning stars outside whenever you can see through the C'n'C window.
 
The DVDs are nice, but they're 16:9. I'd prefer to see the 4:3 versions. Oh well.

Since both my TV and DVD player upscale, letterbox is no longer the issue with me that it used to be. I used to hate it.

It isn't "letterboxing" that bothers me (and since I have a widescreen TV, the 4:3 versions are the one with the black bars) -- it's the way the visual effects are poorly cropped with the 16:9 versions. The widescreen would look great, except for the problems that result from blowing up and cropping 4:3 visual effects shots to 16:9. Yuck.

Speaking of other problems with the DVDs, I don't understand why they didn't include the spoiler-free credits for the beginning of season two. It's no surprise what happens to Delenn as soon as the credits pop up the way it is now.
 
Hmmmm...I dunno. I can't imagine the SciFi Channel affording to not only pay for the Rights to air Babylon 5 and paying to alter the Masters. Nah, I gotta believe it was WB's doing, and they used the SciFi Channel Airing Rights Sale to help offset the alterations cost
 
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