There are no reaction shots when River meets Amy in the Angels two parter or Rory in The Big Bang.
6x07 A Good Man Goes To War (Grade/Discuss) SPOILERS!
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There are no reaction shots when River meets Amy in the Angels two parter or Rory in The Big Bang.
I noticed that too, and yes it was distracting. It was the first time I've watched on BBC America so I don't know if they've done that previously. (They certainly didn't during the preceding marathon.) Although I don't think it was 1.5x, maybe closer to 1.1 or 1.2.
I also noticed a similar speed-up during the opening credits of AGMGTW.
Ok, Amy missed the girl, but hit the helmet with her shot.
Yes, I know it was GangerAmy for the first of the series, but I’m wondering whether the Silence knew she was a ganger. At the White House, one said she was “special,” which implies he thought he was talking to RealAmy. Did he not know she wasn’t? Are the Silence the ones at war with the Doctor?
And where did all the orphanage pics come from? RealMelody and GangerAmy2? Why would they be at the orphanage where the Silence are?
I managed to avoid spoilers so I didn't definitively know River was Amy's daughter. Still a lot of unanswered questions, but that was a cool reveal. Overall, I really, really enjoyed this episode. It was clever, funny, and exciting. I can't wait for the break to end.
BTW, I saw earlier people had some confusion about who Lorna was. I felt it was pretty obvious. River/Melody is being raised in the Gamma Forrest. She wasn't taken there right away, but was after she escaped from the Astronaut suit (although maybe the opposite). Either way, the Doctor is going to the Gamma Forrest to rescue her. This is where he'll meet Lorna as a little girl (why she remembers him and he doesn't remember her). This is the point where he reaches his low and the people there think of Doctor meaning great warrior.
Anyway, should be fun. I'm really curious about the title of the next episode.
BTW, I saw earlier people had some confusion about who Lorna was. I felt it was pretty obvious. River/Melody is being raised in the Gamma Forrest. She wasn't taken there right away, but was after she escaped from the Astronaut suit (although maybe the opposite). Either way, the Doctor is going to the Gamma Forrest to rescue her. This is where he'll meet Lorna as a little girl (why she remembers him and he doesn't remember her). This is the point where he reaches his low and the people there think of Doctor meaning great warrior.
Anyway, should be fun. I'm really curious about the title of the next episode.
And while I forgot at first, we already saw when that happened, in the Library. That's the first time the Doctor meets her (and doesn't know her). Any time 11 meets her, he already knows who she is (Prof Song), but not anymore.
The episode was 50 minutes (as opposed to the normal 40 minutes). BBC-AM may have sped it up to fit in 60 minutes with commercials.
Nice review. Fairly even-handed-- much more so than I would be. I think their last two points, about the botching of story and character, stop me from enjoying any of the positives, like the supposed Rory awesomeness, which just feels like the kind of macho posturing that Doctor Who usually parodies.
All those years and Rory never learned how to wield a gladius properly?
Anybody get the idea that when Rory went to get River, it was their first meeting and she was covering? Or was it just that she knew that this was the last time they’d meet with him not knowing he’s her father?
I think the “endless war” thing is with the Silence. The Doctor has apparently not known of them until now, but has likely blunted many of their plans on Earth all along, despite saving the Earth countless times. The whole death scene was somehow a plant because a Silence was there to observe it happening.
We know the suit can repair itself, at least to some extent; and that it can be remote controlled. Why have Melody in there at all? Why not just have a Silence kill the Doctor when he’s not looking?
Very confusing, but enjoyable.
The “loose ends” site in an above post was very interesting.
Oh, and after River tells the Doctor who she is and he’s about to turn around to Amy & Rory, his “How do I look?”-type question seemed like an “Do I look okay to meet my inlaws for the first time?”-type of thing.
I think the “endless war” thing is with the Silence. The Doctor has apparently not known of them until now, but has likely blunted many of their plans on Earth all along, despite saving the Earth countless times. The whole death scene was somehow a plant because a Silence was there to observe it happening.
We know the suit can repair itself, at least to some extent; and that it can be remote controlled. Why have Melody in there at all? Why not just have a Silence kill the Doctor when he’s not looking?
Very confusing, but enjoyable.
The “loose ends” site in an above post was very interesting.
Oh, and after River tells the Doctor who she is and he’s about to turn around to Amy & Rory, his “How do I look?”-type question seemed like an “Do I look okay to meet my inlaws for the first time?”-type of thing.
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This may also explain why/how River is walking outside of Amy & Rory's Wedding last season (series for you UKers). If River was 12 (or so) in 1969 (and maybe regenerated), then in 2010 (wedding year), that would be River (who aged from 1969 to 2010 naturally), assuming no other regens or anything. The diary was empty until Amy brought the Doctor back and then it was filled again, and River knew what she knew. (Assuming the River who walked past the window did not know about the Doctor, but found out that she was "related" to Amy and/or Rory).
Actually, I think the River at the wedding did remember The Doctor in the same way that The Doctor remembered Rory, thanks to Time Lord DNA, and knew she had to pass on the diary so Amy could remember.
The Moff has definitely crafted an interesting puzzle and I like trying to figure it all out. Everyone specualting and trying to piece it together is a lot of fun.
I just hope the puzzle isn't being given so much weight that they're trying to make the pieces fit with a jackhammer or losing the details of storytelling.
What disappointed me the most was I didn't see the big reveal coming whatsoever, I was completely blindsided, and yet I didn't feel anything when it happened.
It's revealed in the episode - at some point before going to the US. However it wasn't since the Universe was rebooted as the episode establishes that Amy became pregnant on her wedding night, so she would have been taken after, probably even after A Christmas Carol since that episode takes place in the midst of their honeymoon.
My assumption is she was switched at some point during the 3-months between being dropped off back on earth by the Doctor and receiving the invitation to join him in the US.
My first impression was that she was referring to the Time War.
Alex
I get a very strong Inquisitor Darkel Vibe from her (The Judge in Trial of a Time Lord, and reappearing in The Romana/Leela Audio Play Series Gallifrey Adventures)
The episode itself was switched from the second half to the first very late in the game. Mark Gatiss's episode was originally supposed to be the third episode, and was still planned to be as recentally as when the trailers for the season were done. So for Captain Avery to have such a pivotal scene in this episode is odd. Sure, it's brief enough that it could have been filmed at the last minute, but that must mean there's an alternate version where Eyepatch Lady goes to her ship and finds someone else has taken it.
While probably not the explanation: If Captain Avery's episode was in the second half, there still would be no reason for him and his son to show up here doing the same thing they did. We just wouldn't know who he was until the episode showed but the Doctor and Timey-Whimey reasoning might.
It is a blink and you'll miss him cameo. Rory confronts Eyepatch Lady just before she boards her ship, she says her ship has a crew of 20 and that he won't get pass them, Avery and his son then emerge dragging beaten soldiers with them declaring they've taken the ship.
