Col. Worf question

[balls]

Who's idea was it to put Col. Worf in TUC? Was it Nimoy? Paramount? Who had the idea? I like that he's there as some connection with the future. If it was Nimoy, how much did he know about TNG at that time? It's nice that it does fit into the idea that Worf's family was on Khitomer.

 

[RoJoHen]

I imagine it was whoever wrote the script.

 

[SonicRanger]

Why Nimoy? He neither directed nor wrote the screenplay.

 

[Christopher]

I imagine it was whoever wrote the script.

As a rule, that's not a safe assumption. In TV, writers are in control, but in Hollywood feature films, it's usually the directors and producers who make the creative decisions and scriptwriters are seen as little more than hired contractors brought in to put those decisions on paper.

Of course, it's a different matter if the scriptwriter is the director or producer, and that's the case here; TUC's director Nicholas Meyer is also one of the credited screenwriters. And we know from his collaborator Denny Martin Flinn that it was Meyer's idea to bring in Dorn:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Worf_(Colonel)

"The genesis was really Nick [Meyer] saying, 'How about if we get Michael Dorn to play the part of Worf? and everybody said 'Nick, The Next Generation is 75 years later!' and Nick said, 'Okay, we'll make it his grandfather' and that was it. Nick had not created the part of Worf for a particular actor, but we got Michael Dorn and they explained to him he couldn't play himself." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)

 

[balls]

Why Nimoy? He neither directed nor wrote the screenplay.

I know he didn't direct, but I thought TUC came from his original idea. I remember something about Nimoy walking with Meyer on a beach discussing the Chernobyl like accident for the Klingons. Nimoy has story credit and is the executive producer. That's why I asked if it was him.

 

[balls]

I imagine it was whoever wrote the script.

As a rule, that's not a safe assumption. In TV, writers are in control, but in Hollywood feature films, it's usually the directors and producers who make the creative decisions and scriptwriters are seen as little more than hired contractors brought in to put those decisions on paper.

Of course, it's a different matter if the scriptwriter is the director or producer, and that's the case here; TUC's director Nicholas Meyer is also one of the credited screenwriters. And we know from his collaborator Denny Martin Flinn that it was Meyer's idea to bring in Dorn:

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/Worf_(Colonel)

"The genesis was really Nick [Meyer] saying, 'How about if we get Michael Dorn to play the part of Worf? and everybody said 'Nick, The Next Generation is 75 years later!' and Nick said, 'Okay, we'll make it his grandfather' and that was it. Nick had not created the part of Worf for a particular actor, but we got Michael Dorn and they explained to him he couldn't play himself." (Captains' Logs: The Unauthorized Complete Trek Voyages)

Thanks for the info. Just the other day, Trekmovie had an article about Jeri Ryan and "Nemesis." Apparently, somebody at Paramount called Berman to tell him to put Ryan in the movie.

 

[drychlick]

who idea it was it was a great 1

 

[Therin of Andor]

Thanks for the info. Just the other day, Trekmovie had an article about Jeri Ryan and "Nemesis." Apparently, somebody at Paramount called Berman to tell him to put Ryan in the movie.

Sure. She was to give advice to Picard on some matter, over the intercom. When Ryan was announced as unavailable they rewrote the scene for Admiral Janeway.

 

[Christopher]

Thanks for the info. Just the other day, Trekmovie had an article about Jeri Ryan and "Nemesis." Apparently, somebody at Paramount called Berman to tell him to put Ryan in the movie.

Sure. She was to give advice to Picard on some matter, over the intercom. When Ryan was announced as unavailable they rewrote the scene for Admiral Janeway.

That's what people have assumed, but according to the TrekMovie article, Ryan's comments imply that the suggested role for her was rather more substantial than that. (And really, why would Picard need Seven's advice about the Romulans?)

 

[Yevetha]

Do klingons ever give names to eachother like Worf son of Worf?

What about orphans?

 

[balls]

Do klingons ever give names to eachother like Worf son of Worf?

What about orphans?

I always wondered about that because of this movie. I guess it's Worf, son of Mogh, son of Worf?

 

[backstept]

y'know what? I happen to like Colonel Worf's makeup better than Worf Rozhenko's

 

[Lieut. Arex]

Do klingons ever give names to eachother like Worf son of Worf?

What about orphans?

I always wondered about that because of this movie. I guess it's Worf, son of Mogh, son of Worf?

Because the ridges don't match those of Worf, Kurn, or Alexander, I've always thought the colonel was Worf's maternal grandfather.

 

[Brutal Strudel]

Thanks for the info. Just the other day, Trekmovie had an article about Jeri Ryan and "Nemesis." Apparently, somebody at Paramount called Berman to tell him to put Ryan in the movie.

Sure. She was to give advice to Picard on some matter, over the intercom. When Ryan was announced as unavailable they rewrote the scene for Admiral Janeway.

That's what people have assumed, but according to the TrekMovie article, Ryan's comments imply that the suggested role for her was rather more substantial than that. (And really, why would Picard need Seven's advice about the Romulans?)

I read somewhere that they were supposed to be in a Borg Survivor support group together, something like that.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

FWIW, on TNG and ENT there was recurrence of family head names in the House of Duras. In the 22nd century we saw Duras, Son of Toral; In the 24th we met his descendant, also named Duras, and his son, named Toral.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Do klingons ever give names to eachother like Worf son of Worf?

What about orphans?

I always wondered about that because of this movie. I guess it's Worf, son of Mogh, son of Worf?

Because the ridges don't match those of Worf, Kurn, or Alexander, I've always thought the colonel was Worf's maternal grandfather.

Kruge, Kord and Klaa must have staffed their ships with relatives.

 

[InklingStar]

I always wondered about that because of this movie. I guess it's Worf, son of Mogh, son of Worf?

Because the ridges don't match those of Worf, Kurn, or Alexander, I've always thought the colonel was Worf's maternal grandfather.

Kruge, Kord and Klaa must have staffed their ships with relatives.

For a feudal house-based society, that actually makes sense. It also makes Kruge's execution of his gunner even more vile.

 

[Timo]

...It may well follow that Kor and Kang also hand-picked their crews from among those relatives who had even more embarrassing forehead deficiencies than the ones they themselves suffered from.

One wonders what this means for DS9 "Sons and Daughters". How deep a humiliation is it for a skipper to be provided with random reinforcements from competing Houses or even House-less individuals? Is there a distinction between House ships and Imperial ones, the latter being more generic in terms of crew and equipment and more directly under the control of the government?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Christopher]

Because the ridges don't match those of Worf, Kurn, or Alexander, I've always thought the colonel was Worf's maternal grandfather.

Kruge, Kord and Klaa must have staffed their ships with relatives.

Actually it was ST III that introduced the idea of different Klingons having differently shaped forehead ridges, and Kruge and his crew all have very distinct ridge patterns.

And the Klingon makeups in ST IV through VI did have individual variations as well, just not as blatantly so as the ST III or Michael Westmore makeup designs. For instance, Klaa's ridge patterns are similar to Korrd's (and much like a more subtle version of the TMP makeup) but stretch out much wider from left to right, whereas Vixis has much subtler ridging with only two pairs of side "branches."

 

[Timo]

Having Korrd be Klaa's daddy would certainly give the movie an interesting angle.

Timo Saloniemi