What if Gene Roddenberry was still alive.

[Paradon]

Making money isn't such a bad thing. If you don't pay any creative people to do their jobs, no one will be able to do it for a living, and we'll have no Star Trek, books, and any type of arts and musics for that matter. It would just a hobby for a lot of people.

 

[Captrek]

Star Trek without Gene Roddenberry is like Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett.

 

[T'Girl]

created with one principal goal in mind

Roddenberry did have some things to say and intended Star trek to be a vehicle for those statements, personal statements. His personal position on Vietnam (with which I don't agree) were the foundation of the prime directive. he did put some effort in to not presenting an all male American group of characters.

Yes, yes, yes, Roddenberry wished to make a living and if Star Trek hadn't been commercially viable the network would have pulled it before they did, but in term of the sole purpose behind it's creation, no not principally money.

 

[xortex]

Well he did say that they couldn't pay him enough to do it again which might be why he wasn't able to do it again but I suspect that it was more his ill health and the fact that it won't be allowed to be done again.
I think Schubert sold his unfinished symphony for about fourteen dollars and the copier even lost the last two movements. He died at thirty one. He died like most of them, poor.

 

[number6]

Well he did say that they couldn't pay him enough to do it again which might be why he wasn't able to do it again but I suspect that it was more his ill health and the fact that it won't be allowed to be done again.
I think Schubert sold his unfinished symphony for about fourteen dollars and the copier even lost the last two movements. He died at thirty one. He died like most of them, poor.

He said that they couldn't pay him enough to do it again if it was going to be on network television. He agreed to do TNG because it was going to be syndicated and he'd have more creative control. Hate to burst your bubble, but he kept returning to Star Trek because it made him money. None of his other projects were selling and he was making a living on the convention circuit talking about Star Trek. He would be happy that Star Trek is continuing, because he would continue to see money for it. Everyone who knew him, including his wife and son said he would have loved the new film. I would trust their word on the matter before I would listen to some "fan" with an axe to grind.

 

[xortex]

Else he would have been on the 'Pretty Little Maids All in a Row' circuit. That would have been a nightmare. I have no doubt Majel and his son loved it. I'm sorry but I'm gonna say it, that kid cracks me up. Do they own it anymore?? If he does, he should look into acquiring Alexander Courage's original musical manuscripts in a crate that was given to a hick composer from the New Voyages/Phase II Jim Cawley fan films, upon his death and start an historic archive to preserve some of these things.

 

[plynch]

People on these boards have been bigger jerks to each other than they'll ever experience from Gene Roddenberry.

amen

 

[number6]

Else he would have been on the 'Pretty Little Maids All in a Row' circuit. That would have been a nightmare. I have no doubt Majel and his son loved it. I'm sorry but I'm gonna say it, that kid cracks me up. Do they own it anymore?? If he does, he should look into acquiring Alexander Courage's original musical manuscripts in a crate that was given to a hick composer from the New Voyages/Phase II Jim Cawley fan films, upon his death and start an historic archive to preserve some of these things.

What exactly do you smoke before you log on?

 

[xortex]

We have people critisizing Roddenberry who haven't kissed a girl before.

 

[number6]

I've kissed a girl.. I've even had sex. I also know how to spell and use punctuation.

 

[Harvey]

start an historic archive to preserve some of these things.

Gene Roddenberry's papers from the production of the original Star Trek are held in the UCLA special collections, as are Robert Justman's papers from the same period. Harve Bennett's papers (mainly stuff from Star Trek III: The Search for Spock) is held by UCLA as well.

Nicholas Meyer's papers (including those from Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country) are held in the University of Iowa's Special Collections.

Apparently Ron Moore's papers are held at USC, although I haven't been able to locate a proper finding aid as of yet.

My point being that there already are archives preserving this stuff for research access in the future. If the original Courage manuscripts are out there, I hope the owner will one day donate them to a University for preservation and public access as well.

 

[Captrek]

I've kissed a girl.

You were in Nigel Stock's body at the time. It doesn't count.

 

[number6]

Sure it does!!

 

[xortex]

Beethoven's landlady was very criticle of him as well. The only record we have of what he thought of her was three G's and an E Flat. I'm assuming it wasn't a compliment.

 

[number6]

GR started Lincoln Enterprises so he could make money off Star Trek. He wrote "lyrics" to the theme so he could have half the royalties. And it's spelled "critical," not "criticle."
Beethoven didn't have a staff of collaborators to flesh out his "vision."

 

[xortex]

And Beethoven didn't need rent money for his landlady and he didn't have children to feed? Or would you like to start criticizing Beethoven the man now? He was probably alot worse than GR.

 

[Harvey]

Stealing half of Courage's royalties and starting Lincoln Enterprises (where he was also stealing, both by taking negatives from the studio vault and not compensating writers when their scripts were being sold to fans) were both actions that Roddenberry took while he was working on Star Trek -- and being compensated handsomely for that work. Providing for himself or his children weren't impending problems. His divorce was, but that was his own doing.

 

[number6]

These aren't criticisms at all. They are well documented facts. You have sand in your hair.

 

[xortex]

You fault him for merchandizing? with the advent of Star Wars? And he had every right to put words to that song. It lended itself to and almost demanded words.

 

[number6]

No. It was a cheap ploy to retain half the royalties. It ended his friendship with Alexander Courage. Lincoln Enterprises started while Star Trek was in its third season and GR knew the show was going to be canceled. He stole stuff like scripts, and film frames from Paramount to sell them. This was nearly 10 years before Star Wars.