Supernatural 6x21 &6x22 Two hour season finale tonight

[Captain Mike]

I felt so bad for Cas. He desperately wanted/needed dean to trust him. At no point did Dean try hear Cas tried to tell him. Cas got out all of four words when he first asked Dean to trust him.

Would have been nice to see it played out this way, but IMO, I think it would have played out the same way whether or not the "boys" turned on him or not.

Mswood, they don't want Sam ganking demons with his mind or on the blood again. He's like an addict that way. I can understand them not going that route. It's not a realistic possibility for them so they don't entertain it. Absolute power corrupts and all that.

I know but to not even address it. When for example Sam offers to relieve Dean when he is torturing the demon Sam could have brought it up, and Dean could have said something like, I can't let you do that. Or I need you as you are now, I don't need an addict when the shit really hits. Anything. Hell a I can't risk losing you for just two people, or I can't take the chance with your mind blocks, anything. To not address it is a weakness in the script.

It's like if they still had the colt, and kept refusing to use it and never addressed the reason why.

And I still don't see how in the world wiping Lisa & Ben's minds helps them in anyway.

It just keeps them at risk with no avenue for calling anyone for help.

On Sam drinking demon blood, BOTH Dean and Sam himself think Sam is closer to being a monster when he on the "juice" so to speak. So why would they even WANT to mention it? To have him be able to do that he would have to "Detox" time and time again....which in every episode that he did it was extremely painful and dangerous.

As for The Colt, wasn't Ruby I that "helped" Bobby make more bullets? Since she is gone and I am assuming that Bobby doesn't know the entire process. I mean, this was a demon with her priorities for Lucifer to be raised, helping out hunters that will use it to kill demons?
I on the other hand would like it mentioned on just how many bullets are left?

I completely agree with you on Lisa and Ben,...but maybe he realizes how much a distraction they are to his job? But that yet doesn't make sense in itself since Crowley and the demons know he still cares for them.

 

[mswood]

The problem with teh demon blood is that yes Sam does need to detox if he doesn't continue drinking (ie wait for the real battle to end), but we and Sam and Dean know that when he is aware of the situation (unlike Lilith and lucifer) he can control himself.

We see this both when he confronts Lucifer (the most blood he has ever drank), and when Famine made him crave it more then he has ever before (and the second most he has ever drank)..


And of course its a can be a lets Sam drink demon blood to save the day (versus Demons against anything else its utterly useless). But he his facing the current King of Hell. Literally. It should be addressed.

And since Crowley has used things besides demons (see the Ghouls used the last time they attacked Crowley), they could have certainly taken Sam out, even if he did Juice up. Its not a hard thing to account for. And can be done literally at the same cost and amount of dialogue shown on screen.

I mean they gave the knife back to the guys, the only difference here is their no moral issue and you have to be closer to kill.

 

[OsmiumJohnnycake]

Is this board just short on SPN watchers and not an accurate representation of SPN's viewing audience? I ask because the threads for each episode are usually fairly small and I just checked out the Smallville series finale show thread (I gave up watching that around season 5) and it's 50+ pages. That and of my friends in the real world who like genre shows, SPN doesn't interest them to even merit checking out. There seems to be a lot more awareness of something like Gossip Girl, but that show garners consistently lower ratings than SPN, unless I'm mistaken.

 

[Skywalker]

Supernatural does seem to have kind of flown under the radar compared to shows like Smallville and Gossip Girl, though I suspect it was more because the former was the network's flagship show and the latter was heavily publicized by the CW. I think Supernatural's popularity has been growing now that it's being syndicated on TNT and worldwide, and by the end of Smallville's final season, Supernatural was actually getting higher ratings.

 

[Aeolusdallas]

Is this board just short on SPN watchers and not an accurate representation of SPN's viewing audience? I ask because the threads for each episode are usually fairly small and I just checked out the Smallville series finale show thread (I gave up watching that around season 5) and it's 50+ pages. That and of my friends in the real world who like genre shows, SPN doesn't interest them to even merit checking out. There seems to be a lot more awareness of something like Gossip Girl, but that show garners consistently lower ratings than SPN, unless I'm mistaken.

Vampire Diaries is CW's biggest hit. SPN and Smallville were pretty solid for them too. Gossip Girl and 90210 have slightly smaller numbers but not by much. The really surprising thing is the demographics for all of their shows are pretty similar.

 

[OsmiumJohnnycake]

I guess I'm sort of baffled mostly how this show is entering its seventh season and friends of mine who have enjoyed Buffy, Angel, X-Files, and so on are either oblivious to its existence or it just never appealed to them enough to even watch a single episode. Yet a friend of mine recently said that he regretted not getting into Fringe and was going to have to pick up the DVDs and give it a shot. 6+ seasons of SPN, a show in a genre they enjoy, and nothing. I'm not claiming it's the best show of all time, but these are folks willing to give things like V, Flashforward, Persons Unknown etc a shot. It makes me feel like the existence of SPN is something I've been hallucinating or something.

 

[Checkmate]

Honestly, it has a lot to do with the title of the show. It gives the show a vibe of being about wizards and the like; more Charmed than the shows you listed. Even after explaining otherwise, people still have that mindset about it.

There's a reason "don't judge a book by its cover" is a pearl of wisdom. People just naturally do it, and you have to work fairly hard to overcome that trait. Couple that with the whole "it has to be their idea" mentality, and it's pretty tough to get people to like shows they initially dislike, whatever the reason.

 

[Skywalker]

I'll admit that, when I first heard of Supernatural, I discarded it immediately. A show on the WB about two hunky young guys for the young female crowd? Yeah, that sounded real interesting.

Then I happened to catch the Season Two premiere. I was hooked, not to mention kicking myself for not actually giving the show a chance.

 

[Technobuilder]

"Hi. Bobby Singer, paranoid bastard. Pleased to meet you."

 

[Aeolusdallas]

I'll admit that, when I first heard of Supernatural, I discarded it immediately. A show on the WB about two hunky young guys for the young female crowd? Yeah, that sounded real interesting.

Then I happened to catch the Season Two premiere. I was hooked, not to mention kicking myself for not actually giving the show a chance.

I think you raise a very good point. Supernatural and Vampire Diaries are both terrific genre shows. However they were both made with the young female market in mind. Let's face it a lot of guys who would normally be interested in a show centered around monster hunters simply will not give "girls shows" a chance. In fact they will often openly mock anything with the "taint" of girl cooties rather viciously.

So they see the ads running alongside ads for 90210, Gossip Girl and the like and just write it off without a chance. What really ticks me off is when you know they have never seen a single episode and they start teasing you for watching it. As if they themselves were not treated the same way by more "mainstream" audiences when they mention being a Trekkie or loving Babylon 5 or Buffy.

 

[Technobuilder]

Initially, I was one of those that wrote off Supernatural as shlok, site-unseen.

Based on the marketing, it seemed like another sub-par, genre attempt aimed at the Twilight crowd and as such I never gave it anything close to equal time or a fair shake.

Needless to say, I thankfully stumbled upon the show's greatness mid-Season 3, and was able to back track and get current right before the Season 4 premiere.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Well I think Supernatural predates the Twilight movies. I too wrote it off, and quickly came on board after the third season finale. I was like whoa this is like Buffy/Angel but darker! So I caught up with the DVDs and have been a weekly member of these threads
since!

I too was kicking myself for not getting into this show from the beginning, especially when it was paired up with Smallville in the UPN days because I'd catch Smallville and then not watch this and THIS IS THE BETTER SHOW TOO!!!

 

[Captain Mike]

Well I think Supernatural predates the Twilight movies.

Hence the hysterical quote from Dean in 5X03 "Free To Be You and Me" (which aired in 2009), which was...."Eat it TWILIGHT"!!! As he decapitates a vampire.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

It seems as if Supernatural has always had an uphill battle to grab attention, yet overseas it does so well. On TNT morning reruns it scores well, too. It's going to make A LOTTA MONEY for Warners in syndication for quite a long time.

 

[Technobuilder]

Just so we're all clear, I said "aimed at the "Twilight Crowd". (The Crowd was there before Twilight, but I don't know what I would of called them at the time anymore.)

Twilight did come later, but looking back on what I initially thought about Supernatural based on previews and info bytes, it's the closest thing I could think of to best describe what I thought about the show 'then' based on what I know now.

I think you guys concentrated on the wrong part of what I was trying to say. lol

 

[startrekwatcher]

Dorian, figure this was the best place to post this--afterall a post in a SN thread is like a bat signal for you--heard about the tornadoes in your neck of the wood--hope you are alright and wasn't in the area that was affected.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

yeah, hope you are safe Dorian.

 

[Snaploud]

*sends Dorian good wishes*

Let us know how you're doing.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

Well, I'm down 3 windows but I have a roof. That's more than some in my neighborhood can say. Too close for comfort, good people. Too close for comfort. At least my power's back on as of this morning. My neighbor will be here in about half hour to take me window shopping, so to speak. We didn't have any fatalities in my neighborhood, startrekwatcher. Sweet of you to ask after me. I do appreciate the good thoughts. The fatalities seem to have occurred in an area of Yukon, which is one of the suburbs here in the metro.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

double post