Star Trek Online - Worth it?

[Thlaylie]

Star Trek 2009 = Alternate timeline. It says so right in the movie.

The "Old Trek" or Prime universe is still there. Not wiped out, not gone, still there! End of subject.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

Willing to wager if you will ever see it again in a modern movie? "Prime" universe has been "overwritten" by the current universe making that one "Prime" and the old one "speculative."

Lord save us from the noobs.

I've probably been on STO much longer than you have, from open beta, far from being a noob. As for forum time comparisons, I won't go into that.

BUT, all this forum bickering has given me a new appreciation for Star Trek. I figure all us TOS people who have been left out in the cold by the genners need to now embrace the TNOS (The New Original Series) as that's likely all that will be from now on. This leaves the genners in the Trek obsolete Hell we TOS people were in. They probably won't even appreciate that we left the lights on for them.

At 1200 meters (fact proven from JJ's mouth and the Art of the Movie book) The New Enterprise can use the genners vaulted sovy as a toothpick and the galaxy as a napkin!

Using STO's tier system the Kelvin at 625 meters would be T6, the rest of the New fleet T7 and the jewel of Star Fleet The Enterprise would be T8!

Cryptic needs to get with Paramount and get with what's now in Trek instead of catering to all those old genner fogies.

 

[Thlaylie]

OT I like to play STO, just wish they actually had some Trek fans on staff or staff that knew more about the shows. Should be a mandantory Trek Test for hiring. Also they should rotate their forum mods monthly to prevent the current ghestapo trend.

Huh? Are you saying the STO Devs aren't up on their Star Trek? As a fan myself since 1969, I have to disagree as many of their missions relate directly back to elements across all the TV series and films and many contain an 'ester egg' that is some real Trek minutae.

Honestly, given the nature of MMOs, and the type of players they usually attract; I thought an MMO based on the Star Trek franchise woould be impossible to pull off, maintain and run; but the STO Devs proved me wrong. I think overall STO does an excellent job of presenting and using the 45 year history of the Star Trek franchis in an MMO setting that works and definitely has a good 'Trek' feel to it overall.

You are mistaking the forum knowledge that they culture and use as their own knowledge, which it isn't.

If anybody there knows their Trek, it is a genner favoring that now obsolete branch of Trek.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

Not true. All these missions drawing from Trek lore are not the product of the forum but the cryptic mission designers. They might put their own spin on things and adapt for teh game's mechanics , but they couldn't have been writing them the way they did, if they didn't know their Star Trek beginning with TOS and ending with Trek 2009!

 

[Thlaylie]

Not true. All these missions drawing from Trek lore are not the product of the forum but the cryptic mission designers. They might put their own spin on things and adapt for teh game's mechanics , but they couldn't have been writing them the way they did, if they didn't know their Star Trek beginning with TOS and ending with Trek 2009!

They've been caught out many times on their inconsistant Trek lore.

Any game that calls itself Star Trek and doesn't provide an end game Connstitution class is not "up on their Trek."

 

[Noname Given]

Not true. All these missions drawing from Trek lore are not the product of the forum but the cryptic mission designers. They might put their own spin on things and adapt for teh game's mechanics , but they couldn't have been writing them the way they did, if they didn't know their Star Trek beginning with TOS and ending with Trek 2009!

They've been caught out many times on their inconsistant Trek lore.

Any game that calls itself Star Trek and doesn't provide an end game Connstitution class is not "up on their Trek."

Um so have Star Trek series episode writers from the original series on (including Gene Roddenberry and some of the the more well known and liked writers across the 7 series and 10 feature films and 45 year history); so that's nothing new per se. The point is - they have shown a respect for and good overall knowledge of the Trek franchise in general (and more than the producers of the more recent singlr player Star Trek games.)

(oh, and by the way, earlier you stated you 'Trek' credentials - mine? Star Trek fan and watching it first run since 1969. As for STO - been playing since closed beta. First logged into the game on Oct. 27, 2009.)

 

[Scout101]

maybe they're "up on their Trek" enough to figure out that a 23rd century ship would probably be a tad outdated in the late 24th (or early 25th, forget exactly when we are playing here) century? Simply outclassed. Sorta like demanding that a Tie Fighter be scaled up so that it is comparable to a Star Destroyer, and then stomping up and down when told that's silly.

Plus, you can play both Constitution variants in the game, and no one is forcing you to choose a T5 ship, you can fly the T1 as a Vice Admiral if you want....

 

[Distorted Humor]

Just curious why a game set 40 years after TNG would expect a connie as a top of the line ship. Even in the TOS movies the Connie was no longer the top ship in the fleet, as a Miranda gave it trouble, and ships like the excelsior where Ships that had more abilities. By TNG the excelsior class was the older backbone of the fleet.

If this was a TOS era game, sure, but I thought it was a nice touch to throw in a connie as a ship type as you progress, but it would be very odd if it was the best ship.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

maybe they're "up on their Trek" enough to figure out that a 23rd century ship would probably be a tad outdated in the late 24th (or early 25th, forget exactly when we are playing here)

Just curious why a game set 40 years after TNG would expect a connie as a top of the line ship..

Well considering how well they blow up T5 ships in the early levels of the game and it's an MMO not a tv series they can do whatever they want plus canon fanatics should always be ignored they are the reason trek on tv is dead.

Plus, you can play both Constitution variants in the game, and no one is forcing you to choose a T5 ship, you can fly the T1 as a Vice Admiral if you want....

No you can't it becomes useless the higher you go so it you actually want to play the game instead of just flying around (which is more boring then PVP quite frankly) you have to use a ship THAT DOESN'T BLOW UP EVERY TWO SECONDS.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

But give it a try when you team up with a VA. That will greatly enhance you hull, shields, turn rate and weapons power.
Granted you still only have 3 ship weapons and Ensigns on your bridge, but you can survive than
I recommend using regenerative MkXI shielding in that case.

 

[Distorted Humor]

shrugs, its a fun game....that is what is important in my book at least.

PS - the Battle for Trill Foundry mission is a lot of fun.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

So say we all.

 

[Thlaylie]

I've been watching Trek since reruns in the 70's. I own all the series, but never appreciated the characters as much as TOS. I would tune in for the new effects mostly.

When I refer to a T5 Constitution, I refer to a brand new replica made with all the newest stuff. As pointed out above, this is an MMO and they have the freedom to give people whatever ships they want at end game, like a 200 year old Vulcan ship.

Again I do enjoy STO, but have run up against the end game barrier. I leveled another Toon, but was hoping to have a Romulan by now. I don't think there should be so much ground combat in STAR Trek so I'm not excited about the upcoming ground combat update and feel that's time wasted that could have given us better content. If I come off as a bit melancholy, that would be the cause because I was hoping for more from Star Trek. It will be better when SWTOR comes out, then I can just drop in for the new stuff.

 

[Hartzilla2007]

But give it a try when you team up with a VA. That will greatly enhance you hull, shields, turn rate and weapons power.
Granted you still only have 3 ship weapons and Ensigns on your bridge, but you can survive than
I recommend using regenerative MkXI shielding in that case.

But I don't want to have to team up just to play the space missions instead of teaming up when I want to. Especially sense it meens my playing time now revolves around when others are playing and what they want to do. Becuase now it makes the freedom you enjoy in STO dependent on what show your a fan of.

Furthermore it seems really stupid that it will level up as an NPC enemy and if you use the squad system yet we can't get the damned thing the level up on its own.

 

[Thlaylie]

I always hated teaming for the STF's and it's sad they are baited with the best gear. (Borg)

Furthermore Gozer has drawn a line in the sand saying they will be his way or the highway. Doesn't sound like he listens especially well to the forum.

They use the "Ker'rat" on a stick method to make you have to group to play the STF's and to join the PvP ques that would be avoided like the plague if the loot was removed. I like to PvP sometimes, but there are those players to which PvP is a crack addiction and they must win.

I met some real cool people teaming for the STF's, Comrades in misery and all that. Sadly the people endlessly haunting the STF systems wailing, "lfg Cure" like futuristic Banshees are the ones that are available to PUG and also the ones that for some reason just can't make it through.

Bad system IMO and I believe the STF's should be broken up into "Weeklies" that you can choose to SOLO if you want or need to due to time constraints.

Everyone loves the weeklies. Most people hate the STF's.

 

[Scout101]

If they'd fix the damned system a bit, you could queue up reasonably for the STFs rather than having to spam the list forever waiting for people to respond. Why that works differently than PvP, I don't know...

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I always hated teaming for the STF's and it's sad they are baited with the best gear. (Borg)

Furthermore Gozer has drawn a line in the sand saying they will be his way or the highway. Doesn't sound like he listens especially well to the forum.

They use the "Ker'rat" on a stick method to make you have to group to play the STF's and to join the PvP ques that would be avoided like the plague if the loot was removed. I like to PvP sometimes, but there are those players to which PvP is a crack addiction and they must win.

I met some real cool people teaming for the STF's, Comrades in misery and all that. Sadly the people endlessly haunting the STF systems wailing, "lfg Cure" like futuristic Banshees are the ones that are available to PUG and also the ones that for some reason just can't make it through.

Bad system IMO and I believe the STF's should be broken up into "Weeklies" that you can choose to SOLO if you want or need to due to time constraints.

Everyone loves the weeklies. Most people hate the STF's.

I'll be happy to run you through the STFs. For me the biggest reward is not the Borg Kit but a godd teaming experience. That's where the game feels like an MMO for me the most mission wise. Of course you can do the same thing on normal missions ,too, but the STFs require it and I wouldn't want it to change.
Gozer is right, this is content for team play. And if you have no interest in team play, these missions just are not for you.
If you'd like special gear you can craft Aegis anytime . It's just as good only different.

 

[Thlaylie]

Actually I have all the gear, but thanks for offering.

I have to disagree, the Aegis gear is not even close to the Borg gear in comparison. Having 3 pieces of Borg gear lets my ship regenerate hull and shields automatically during battle. I also use a Cap3 covariant shield which is the highest in game.

Some people, like me, just don't have the time to team play the STF's like others do due to real life time demands. Some people also like their games to be private rather than crowd entertainment.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

In that case why play an MMO in the first place?
And I repeat, if you are not into team play for what ever reason, STF is just not something you should waste time and energy into, including the complaints about it.
If you want the gear, goo for a fleet run once and be done with it, as you obviously have done.
Nevertheless there are those among us who have the time and motivation to do those missions and they are actually quite fun once you are trained there and even capable of training others to do it. Yes, that includes The Cure even.

 

[Thlaylie]

In that case why play an MMO in the first place?
And I repeat, if you are not into team play for what ever reason, STF is just not something you should waste time and energy into, including the complaints about it.
If you want the gear, goo for a fleet run once and be done with it, as you obviously have done.
Nevertheless there are those among us who have the time and motivation to do those missions and they are actually quite fun once you are trained there and even capable of training others to do it. Yes, that includes The Cure even.

Sooo... How can it hurt making it an OPTION to SOLO for those of us not needing 4 other people to do things like use the bathroom? MMO's are setting you up to fall in today's society as everyone's actually out for himself and we are not the borg. As an option us SOLO people can do what we do best and all the gregarious people can do it their way. More people doing STFs = more $$$ for the game. The rest of the game is SOLO why cling to an outdated policy for a few missions?

I play because it's Star trek and believe me I'd rather it be a totally single player game.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

What makes you want to solo it in the first place? The mission is NOT structured that way. It is not possible to do certain objectives without a team.
If you take that away and reduce the difficulty, it becomes boring. There would be nothing left to make the mission worthwhile.
The Borg gear rewards? Why would those still be there for an easy solo play? That is the whole intention behind them: Get them for a little extra effort.
If you don't do the STFs because you lack team ambitions, you don't really miss out much and the gear is not mandatory or necessary to win anything else. With the exception of PvP which you don't play since it requires team play.
That is 4 missions (one of which doesn't even have a fancy reward) out of like 80?

There are several alternatives here, PvP teaming, which I don't do myself because, guess what, I don't like it very much, STFs which are the smallest part of the game really and the least Trek like missions (but way fun if you enjoy a bit of team play) and lots of missions end episodes that are much more fun in a team but are easily soloable.

You've done the STFs, so tell me do you really think those would be worthwhile to do alone? I fact I think they would be significantly longer if you had to do them alone.
With a team you breeze through them in 60-120 minutes on average, depending on the mission. Really good teams do it in 30-90. Alone it would probably take up to 3 hours or more or not be possible at all, cause most soloplayers have no idea on how to face the challenges presented here.