Design the Next Enterprise
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Heh, im on the flipside of this. Last year I finished a degree in Digital Animation, and I've been applying for jobs since to no avail.
At this point, i'd love a computer repair job.
Right there with you, except I majored in Media Communications (Film Studies/Production/Screenwriting emphasis) and it's been two years without a job in my field. Tough market right now.
~Belisarius
Heh, im on the flipside of this. Last year I finished a degree in Digital Animation, and I've been applying for jobs since to no avail.
At this point, i'd love a computer repair job.
Right there with you, except I majored in Media Communications (Film Studies/Production/Screenwriting emphasis) and it's been two years without a job in my field. Tough market right now.
~Belisarius
Strange how your misfortune makes me feel better about my own. Doesn't that make me a "bad person?"
@Ihlecreations: Ever use "Flaming Pear" plug-ins for your space backgrounds? I've really come to rely on them.
I have used flaming pear but for this I went low tech to get a more implied starfield rather than a realistic one
Ah. Clouds + noise + contrast? A visible light source wouldn't go amiss imho, but then that's kind-of my shtick. Nice work in any case. You're winning hearts and minds, don't stop now
I am actually still working on my design. Think I may have a masochistic streak. Anyway, here it is so far. I find that it looks best using the classic camera angles and pretty poor in 3view. The last image is a little practice at lighting part of the ship and doing a phaser effect in the rendering engine. (basically a semi-translucent tube with an emitter running the length of it).
That looks great Sojourner! I'm glad you kept working on it, this is good stuff!
Wonderful sense of scale now, and that's a terrific shuttle bay. I don't like the teal deflector however.
Wonderful sense of scale now, and that's a terrific shuttle bay. I don't like the teal deflector however.
The difference between the Connie Refit's neck and the Dedication class's pylons is that the Connie's neck is long enough that it could probably survive a direct shot to the neck (assuming that the force of the impact isn't big enough to mess up the structural integrity, or isn't some super powerful weapon), while the Dedication class's pylons are very thin, specifically at the points where they are joined to the hull, so thin that they look like they wouldn't withstand much punishment.
I think that the Dedication class needs some bulking up length wise, if that is making any sense.
And Dac, I'm hoping that when you said to shut up, I hope you didn't mean me in particular. Unless I did something to offend you (in which case, I apologize).
*Herkimer Jitty: I think at this point, Starfleet would be looking for ways to increase the durability of their ships. Even though there might be precedence for ships with somewhat thin pylons in the past, I believe that this was before Starfleet had encountered threats that were as difficult to defend against as the Borg and Dominion, as well as the Undine/Species 8472. And to me, the Dedication's pylons look even thinner in proportion to the rest of the ship.
The spaceships that we can realistically build in the foreseeable future are limited by a need to shave off extra costs, and extra weight to save fuel, and most designs are made to be used in a combat capacity.
The technology that the Federation employs allows them to build ships with much greater durability without much, any loss in performance. Perhaps thin pylons might look good, but so do thicker nacelles, and I don't know, I don't think that they work all that well aesthetically and functionally.
Hi,
Tiberion from STO forums here. Long time lurker, but I've never actually gotten around to posting. But I wanted to make sure Ilhe read this, so here goes.
I feel bad that the fan reaction might in some way have discouraged you. I hope as you have more time to reflect, you'll realize your in the company of such names as Andy Probert, John Eaves, and Herman Zimmerman. Not only because you are credited with designing an Enterprise, but because you also had your design lambasted by (a small subset of) fans because they didn't care for it. I hope you soldier onward and produce more artwork in the same way those gentlemen did.
Because no matter what the winning design was, it was going to happen. Some people who lost were going to have hurt feelings and lash out, some people who might have genuine critiques will lack the communication skills to deliver them properly, and some are just jerks.
Its a complicated issue, some people (like myself) didn't care for the way the contest was executed, and there is certainly room to argue the technical merits of what is going on in the design (as we ship nerds tend to do) but there certainly was no cause to personally insult your artistic talent. The Andy Probert painting your design is based on is one of my favorites, and it certainly feels majestic sitting like it does. Better to just let those sorts of attacks roll on by and not consider them.
I was also sad to hear that Cryptic wasn't interested in getting further input from you. This new "warp ring" rendering is very nice, and its already made me feel tons better about it being the Enterprise-F.
I don't know how familiar you are with Cryptic, but they're a pretty reasonable company, and they tend to listen to their fans pretty well, so I expect if there was a reasonable fan-request made, they'd take a step back and reconsider looking at the updates you have made to the ship. At the very least it can be one of the choose-able skins, if they already have gone "too far" in another direction.
But I understand if you're ready to move on as well. If that is the case, I won't mention it again. I do intend to continue to press them on some movement re: the fan favorite vote or some recognition of Fuzzy's ship, which I didn't like as an Enterprise, but love as a 25th century design otherwise.
In either case, I look forward to seeing you flesh out the ship, so we'll have a definitive look at YOUR vision of the ship, before we see Cryptic's take.
And congrats on that Alienware rig. I am -quite- jealous
-Tiberion
Tiberion from STO forums here. Long time lurker, but I've never actually gotten around to posting. But I wanted to make sure Ilhe read this, so here goes.
I feel bad that the fan reaction might in some way have discouraged you. I hope as you have more time to reflect, you'll realize your in the company of such names as Andy Probert, John Eaves, and Herman Zimmerman. Not only because you are credited with designing an Enterprise, but because you also had your design lambasted by (a small subset of) fans because they didn't care for it. I hope you soldier onward and produce more artwork in the same way those gentlemen did.
Because no matter what the winning design was, it was going to happen. Some people who lost were going to have hurt feelings and lash out, some people who might have genuine critiques will lack the communication skills to deliver them properly, and some are just jerks.
Its a complicated issue, some people (like myself) didn't care for the way the contest was executed, and there is certainly room to argue the technical merits of what is going on in the design (as we ship nerds tend to do) but there certainly was no cause to personally insult your artistic talent. The Andy Probert painting your design is based on is one of my favorites, and it certainly feels majestic sitting like it does. Better to just let those sorts of attacks roll on by and not consider them.
I was also sad to hear that Cryptic wasn't interested in getting further input from you. This new "warp ring" rendering is very nice, and its already made me feel tons better about it being the Enterprise-F.
I don't know how familiar you are with Cryptic, but they're a pretty reasonable company, and they tend to listen to their fans pretty well, so I expect if there was a reasonable fan-request made, they'd take a step back and reconsider looking at the updates you have made to the ship. At the very least it can be one of the choose-able skins, if they already have gone "too far" in another direction.
But I understand if you're ready to move on as well. If that is the case, I won't mention it again. I do intend to continue to press them on some movement re: the fan favorite vote or some recognition of Fuzzy's ship, which I didn't like as an Enterprise, but love as a 25th century design otherwise.
In either case, I look forward to seeing you flesh out the ship, so we'll have a definitive look at YOUR vision of the ship, before we see Cryptic's take.
And congrats on that Alienware rig. I am -quite- jealous
-Tiberion
Hi TiberionHi,
Tiberion from STO forums here. Long time lurker, but I've never actually gotten around to posting. But I wanted to make sure Ilhe read this, so here goes.
I feel bad that the fan reaction might in some way have discouraged you. I hope as you have more time to reflect, you'll realize your in the company of such names as Andy Probert, John Eaves, and Herman Zimmerman. Not only because you are credited with designing an Enterprise, but because you also had your design lambasted by (a small subset of) fans because they didn't care for it. I hope you soldier onward and produce more artwork in the same way those gentlemen did.
Because no matter what the winning design was, it was going to happen. Some people who lost were going to have hurt feelings and lash out, some people who might have genuine critiques will lack the communication skills to deliver them properly, and some are just jerks.
Its a complicated issue, some people (like myself) didn't care for the way the contest was executed, and there is certainly room to argue the technical merits of what is going on in the design (as we ship nerds tend to do) but there certainly was no cause to personally insult your artistic talent. The Andy Probert painting your design is based on is one of my favorites, and it certainly feels majestic sitting like it does. Better to just let those sorts of attacks roll on by and not consider them.
I was also sad to hear that Cryptic wasn't interested in getting further input from you. This new "warp ring" rendering is very nice, and its already made me feel tons better about it being the Enterprise-F.
I don't know how familiar you are with Cryptic, but they're a pretty reasonable company, and they tend to listen to their fans pretty well, so I expect if there was a reasonable fan-request made, they'd take a step back and reconsider looking at the updates you have made to the ship. At the very least it can be one of the choose-able skins, if they already have gone "too far" in another direction.
But I understand if you're ready to move on as well. If that is the case, I won't mention it again. I do intend to continue to press them on some movement re: the fan favorite vote or some recognition of Fuzzy's ship, which I didn't like as an Enterprise, but love as a 25th century design otherwise.
In either case, I look forward to seeing you flesh out the ship, so we'll have a definitive look at YOUR vision of the ship, before we see Cryptic's take.
And congrats on that Alienware rig. I am -quite- jealous
-Tiberion
I have to be honest when I say the similarities to Andrew Proberts painting and my entry were unintentional, I was just trying to show the size of my design and that view seemed to be the best. I will not say subconsciously i might have used that painting as inspiration because I have seen it many times and I too love that image. As for my name being used in the same breath as Probert, Zimmerman and Eaves is just humbling as I would never in a millions years have thought this would have happened to me.
Ok, since so many have told me I am in the same company as the men who have designed all the enterprises up til now and I have heard that this ship will be considered canon. I have to ask is this true? Is it canon??? I myself would think not as it is not being seen on screen.
The only technically accurate answer to that is "if it's onscreen, it's canon... unless the production company later decides otherwise."
The best you can say, for now, is that the production company has the OPTION of using this in the future, should they choose to do so. Then again, they could decide to use a ship used in some other film, turned upside down and slightly re-dressed, if they want to as well.
I don't think that they have any legal obligation to do anything whatsoever at this point. But hey, this is all just storytelling, isn't it? For NOW, this is as close to a "real" Enterprise F as we're likely to see. And whether it ends up being accepted and adopted as the "real" F really will depend on whether or not the design is properly fleshed out and whether or not the design is popular with fans (and, admittedly, with the grandchildren of the studio heads!)
Yeah, strict-canon requires it to be on screen (or be represented in production notes or other such things by the production team, sometimes.
There's an extended or "soft canon" that exists between strict canon and 'fanon' that includes a lot of the stuff from RPG books, novels, games, and such, and there will be lot of arguments about those things, because thats what fans do.
However, CBS did approve the specific language uses in the contest, and according to them, your ship is the "Official" Enterprise-F. For now - they're never obligated to honor that down the road of course.
Your ship will be in the same situation as the Titan. Its a fan-designed ship that won an official contest. I would say a great many fans consider the Titan a "canon" ship - or as close as you can get without actually appearing on screen. (oh Nemesis, you tease) Another ship in a similar situation is the Vesta from the Destiny/Typhon's Pact books.
Whether your ship or the Titan ever make it on screen likely depends on whether or not we ever actually return to the Prime timeline on film at all. We may just continue onward in the "JJ-verse" - especially if the movies continue to do well.
But.. what if they decide to feature the Enterprise F in some pocketbooks novels, or one of the artbooks? Maybe the Ships Calendar? As the "official" Enterprise F, its entirely possible, "canon" or not.
(And yes I know that STO is some 20 years in the future from the current novels, and in an alternate timeline, but they could make more STO novels.. starring the Enterprise F.)
I hope someone at Pocketbooks is paying attention.
Oh, and I wasn't being accusatory about the Probert painting. You would hardly be the 1st artist to unconsciously "channel" a masterpiece. The image is composed the same, and the basic ratio of hull sizes and nacelles is similar enough that it strikes the "memory" of that painting, but that's a good thing, it helps strengthen that feeling that its a Ship of the Line, or whatever.
It poses some awkward questions about what the contest was aiming for, but that is Cryptic and CBS's problem, not yours
There's an extended or "soft canon" that exists between strict canon and 'fanon' that includes a lot of the stuff from RPG books, novels, games, and such, and there will be lot of arguments about those things, because thats what fans do.
However, CBS did approve the specific language uses in the contest, and according to them, your ship is the "Official" Enterprise-F. For now - they're never obligated to honor that down the road of course.
Your ship will be in the same situation as the Titan. Its a fan-designed ship that won an official contest. I would say a great many fans consider the Titan a "canon" ship - or as close as you can get without actually appearing on screen. (oh Nemesis, you tease) Another ship in a similar situation is the Vesta from the Destiny/Typhon's Pact books.
Whether your ship or the Titan ever make it on screen likely depends on whether or not we ever actually return to the Prime timeline on film at all. We may just continue onward in the "JJ-verse" - especially if the movies continue to do well.
But.. what if they decide to feature the Enterprise F in some pocketbooks novels, or one of the artbooks? Maybe the Ships Calendar? As the "official" Enterprise F, its entirely possible, "canon" or not.
(And yes I know that STO is some 20 years in the future from the current novels, and in an alternate timeline, but they could make more STO novels.. starring the Enterprise F.)
I hope someone at Pocketbooks is paying attention.
Oh, and I wasn't being accusatory about the Probert painting. You would hardly be the 1st artist to unconsciously "channel" a masterpiece. The image is composed the same, and the basic ratio of hull sizes and nacelles is similar enough that it strikes the "memory" of that painting, but that's a good thing, it helps strengthen that feeling that its a Ship of the Line, or whatever.
It poses some awkward questions about what the contest was aiming for, but that is Cryptic and CBS's problem, not yours
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