The Little Girl and the Bleeding Obvious

[Deckerd]

How could she know it was her last one?

 

[Jax]

Spoiler: What everyone is talking about

The Doctor can sense Timelords and since River has no fog watch either, I doubt shes a timelord.

 

[Starkers]

I don't see how it could have been her last kiss. This implies that the Doctor in the future gets a new haircut, takes River on a lovely picnic, gives her a sonic screw driver knowing she's heading for the Library, but doesn't kiss her? Ridiculous!

 

[Gov Kodos]

How could she know it was her last one?

That reverse time directions they are going through. His past is her future, so as they hadn't kissed before from his perspective, she won't do so again. (Big Band, Flesh and Stone...)

 

[Starkers]

I refer you to my above point...unless the River who kissed him is a post library River.

 

[Gov Kodos]

It may be ridiculous but not contradictory. I don't remember the dialogue from the episode though.

 

[Deckerd]

My recollection is that when she arrived in the library she had no idea she was about to die.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ That's how I remember it as well...not to mention encountering the Doctor seemed to be a surprise to her.

 

[Deckerd]

No she sent out a signal and he responded, so she knew he was coming.

 

[Gov Kodos]

She wasn't an ongoing character at that point. Just as Vader wasn't Luke and Leia's dad is the first Star Wars. I imagine it is both a writing and acting hassle to keep in mind what each other should know and could be expecting. Also, a strong chance of things being odd or seeming contradictory. I don't see why she'd think she'd die as opposed to not seeing him again at some point, though. I guess she's just imagining the worst when he doesn't recognize her some day.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

I don't see how it could have been her last kiss. This implies that the Doctor in the future gets a new haircut, takes River on a lovely picnic, gives her a sonic screw driver knowing she's heading for the Library, but doesn't kiss her? Ridiculous!

It's not that they don't kiss again, it's that the majority of their events from this point forward for the Doctor will be in her past. With the exception of that picnic (and I'm willing to bet the conclusion of the Spaceman storyline), we've probably seen the last of her life.

She doesn't know she's going to die, but she also doesn't know there's going to be a picnic. In her mind, since the Doctor has never kissed her before and all the rest of her life already happened for him, she isn't going to kiss him again.

 

[Starkers]

This is the trouble with altering 'we never meet in the right order' to 'we're living our relationship in opposite directions'

If they're simply out of order then she has no way of knowing if she's going to see him once more, thirty times more, or never again?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Well, unless the Doctor tells her what point they're at, she doesn't have any idea either way.

Besides, just because, up to the point we see currently, they've been reversed, doesn't mean they're always reversed.

 

[Sindatur]

Yea, living their meetups exactly opposite and in reverse order, doesn't really make any sense, unless River truly is Merlin or following a well mapped out plan. Far more likely, IMHO for it to be randomly out of order

 

[David cgc]

^ Plus, if they had decided to switch from "out of order" to "reverse," it wouldn't make sense to keep the diary going. Then it's just sad and futile, since everything in River's book won't be in the Doctor's, and vice versa.

 

[Rosalind]

I don't see how it could have been her last kiss. This implies that the Doctor in the future gets a new haircut, takes River on a lovely picnic, gives her a sonic screw driver knowing she's heading for the Library, but doesn't kiss her? Ridiculous!

How do we know he hasn't already gave her the screwdriver in his timeline. Was River's sonic in Library different from Ten's?

 

[Admiral_Young]

Yes, River's Future Sonic was designed differently than Ten's. Here is a picture of it...

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/File:River_Song_Sonic_Screwdriver.jpg

 

[Rosalind]

^ ah, but it's very similar to Ten's, which is very different from Eleven's. OTOH, she has never met Ten before the Library, right? so that definitely ruled out the theory that Ten gave it to her.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Actually, it seemed more logically consistent if she had spent a bunch of adventures with him, but that obviously didn't work out. The picture thing sorta works, but I don't think is helpful enough unless there's at least a couple others (otherwise, once she realized he wasn't ahead of her, she would realize she never met him before).

 

[Admiral_Young]

It looks similar to ten's because that was the design motif then. Her line to the Tenth Doctor about him looking younger than the Doctor she knows makes a little bit more sense now with the Eleventh Doctor's two hundred year jump.