Supernatural 6x20"The Man Who Knew Too Much" spoiler discussion thread

[Captain Mike]

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I absolutely LOVED this episode. From Cass trying to "protect" the Winchesters AND Bobby, to getting from him the explanation of why he is doing what he is. BUT now from Crowley from being one of my favorite cast,..I just want him gone...let him find Purgatory that way.
But the main reason I thoroughly enjoyed it was Cass's almost pleading with "GOD" at the end,...I mean how many of us if you are religious have been in THAT position?

 

[Avalon]

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So...last week's ep ("Mommy Dearest") opened and closed with songs that featured "miracles" in their lyrics: "You Sexy Thing", by Hot Chocolate (I believe in miracles...); and "Miracles", by Jefferson Starship (If only you believe in miracles, so would I...).
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see how it would have applied to that episode. I'm wondering if it's a hint for the future -- that maybe Cas (and the guys) will get bailed out by a literal miracle in the end?

 

[Checkmate]

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Castiel. :'(

I still don't understand why Purgatory is such a prize, though. I'm almost positive that monsters don't have souls (from one of the early seasons), hence the constant emphasis on "the human soul." Are we supposed to assume that Purgatory houses more than monsters now?

Also, I noticed that Crowley's revamp of Hell is basically what Purgatory is supposed to be; one big waiting room. Less a punishment and more an annoyance. So I'm puzzled even more.

 

[OsmiumJohnnycake]

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I liked this episode and appreciated the confirmation of what's really going on. I also understand that Dean would have the reaction that he had, but I'd be very curious as to any alternative ideas he might have for stopping armageddon the second time around. Sure, Castiel is making a deal with the devil as a means to an end, but hasn't that been a common tactic for the Winchesters for awhile now? Use what tools you have in the present and deal with the consequences later?

So there's two episodes left in this season. If Dean/Bobby/Sam go after Castiel, it'll leave Raphael free to pursue his goal. Seems like a smarter move would be for them to go after Raphael, try to find another method of defeating him, then deal with Castiel. Of course I have no idea at all how they'll accomplish any of this.

 

[Skywalker]

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That was probably my favorite episode of the season.

 

[Avalon]

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Wait -- shouldn't this be "The Man Who Would Be King"?

 

[mswood]

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Castiel. :'(

I still don't understand why Purgatory is such a prize, though. I'm almost positive that monsters don't have souls (from one of the early seasons), hence the constant emphasis on "the human soul." Are we supposed to assume that Purgatory houses more than monsters now?

Also, I noticed that Crowley's revamp of Hell is basically what Purgatory is supposed to be; one big waiting room. Less a punishment and more an annoyance. So I'm puzzled even more.

Well a lot of monsters are just humans that have been transformed (Madison, Mary, Lenore), so I don't see that they would loose their soul. And we know humans in hell when they have been transformed to demon still have a twisted soul. So I don't see why "monsters" wouldn't. I mean heck look at Dean when he is given two options by Tessa to stay as a spirit that or go to someplace else (one assumes that would be heaven or Hell).

 

[Joe Washington]

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I just had a thought. What if Castiel and Crowley's pursuit of getting into Purtagory leads to the complete unleash of all spirits in Purtagory into the world, creating all sorts of chaos on Earth for the characters to deal with in S7? The goal of S7 would be to find a way to repair the breach in Purtagory's wall and get all of the spirits back into Purtagory somehow. We may see the return of some old enemies and monsters in the brothers' past who may be looking to even the score.

 

[Skywalker]

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I just had a thought. What if Castiel and Crowley's pursuit of getting into Purtagory leads to the complete unleash of all spirits in Purtagory into the world, creating all sorts of chaos on Earth for the characters to deal with in S7? The goal of S7 would be to find a way to repair the breach in Purtagory's wall and get all of the spirits back into Purtagory somehow. We may see the return of some old enemies and monsters in the brothers' past who may be looking to even the score.

The 13 Ghosts of Sam Winchester?

 

[Icemizer]

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I wanted more episodes with the demon Bobby. All in all one of the better episodes of the series.

 

[Dorian Thompson]

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Wait -- shouldn't this be "The Man Who Would Be King"?

Yes. Yes, it should. The Man Who Knew Too Much" is the season finalé. I looked at the wrong column. My bad.

 

[Aragorn]

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So what's gonna happen in the finale? Dean kills Castiel and Sam kills Crowley but they both die in the process and end up taking over their roles of heaven and hell?

 

[Lt. Trull]

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So what's gonna happen in the finale? Dean kills Castiel and Sam kills Crowley but they both die in the process and end up taking over their roles of heaven and hell?

to take that one step further.....

they'll end up like Piers Anthony's - Incarnations of immortality series and get voted in to the two top positions.... the devil and god....

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

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Wait -- shouldn't this be "The Man Who Would Be King"?

Yes. Yes, it should. The Man Who Knew Too Much" is the season finalé. I looked at the wrong column. My bad.

It's ok i did that too the other week.

My favorite line was: Castiel is the Balki Bartokomous of Heaven! Perfect Stranger reference is always a plus in my book.

 

[Dream]

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Great episode.

Cas is one of my favorites characters on the show, so it is always good to have an ep focused on him. We were finally given many answers to the big questions of the season; like how Sam was brought back, how Purgatory fit in all this, and what went down in Heaven after the Apocalypse was averted last season.

Favorite line:

"Explaining freedom to angels is a bit like teaching poetry to fish."

 

[Electric Coleslaw]

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I thought this was a great episode, especially the way it was done. By having Castiel narrate it provided a better and more entertaining exposition of his reasonings rather than just having him give Sam and Dean a five minute speech. It answered a lot of questions we had during the season and it provided a big bad that you actually sympathize with. I've enjoyed this season because of all the twists and turns that have gone on. Just when you think the whole arc is going to be about one thing, ie Sam's soul, Eve, Heaven war it branches off somewhere else. Eve was a total red herring which I stated in last episode's thread. But I find season long arc's to be boring. You can pull them off on 13 ep seasons but for 22 or 24 it just drags. It's been a great ride this year, far more than I expected with this add-on year.

 

[Lt. Trull]

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didn't I hear a rumor of another add on year?

 

[Checkmate]

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I think what I liked most is that while Castiel can formulate his thoughts into words really well while praying, his social inadequacies come to the forefront when he tries to interact with the Winchesters and Bobby.

If he had just been able to explain it the same way to them, the outcome would have likely been completely different.

 

[Lt. Trull]

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did anybody catch the song playing in the background.... I was watching the episode on my pc and flipping thru the menu guide on cable, when cas and crowley were having the conversation at the beginning of the episode... did you hear the song playing in the background when crowley was playing around.... Me and Mrs. Jones.....

 

[OsmiumJohnnycake]

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I think what I liked most is that while Castiel can formulate his thoughts into words really well while praying, his social inadequacies come to the forefront when he tries to interact with the Winchesters and Bobby.

If he had just been able to explain it the same way to them, the outcome would have likely been completely different.

Do you mean if he had been able to articulate it to them in the episode the way he did via narration to the viewer? If so, I somewhat agree (with some reservations - I think Castiel bringing Sam back soulless to do work for him is a much bigger slight in Dean's eyes than working with Crowley).

But I'm not sure what would have happened if he came to Dean at the start of s6 and laid it all out on the table for him.