Well, Keating liked it okay. Whaddya know, he didn't axiomatically hate it for having a large TNG presence. Darn his open mind!
Yep. He liked it so much he can't even recall why Marina and Jonathan were there.
What was wrong with "These are the Voyages"
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Even if you took Riker and Troi out of the story it would still be bad. The whole thing with Shran and the lame death of Trip are big negatives. It would have been better if
Trip died in his sleep instead of the way he was killed in this story.
The real question is what wasn't wrong with "These are the Voyages"
Trip died in his sleep instead of the way he was killed in this story.
The real question is what wasn't wrong with "These are the Voyages"
Well, Keating liked it okay. Whaddya know, he didn't axiomatically hate it for having a large TNG presence. Darn his open mind!
Open mind and a fat paycheck!
I might like it too, if I'd been paid to take part. 'sides, the man's a thespian, not a critic. 
So what if Keating liked it, sort of?
If Tim Russ said the same thing about Threshold, would it be a good episode?
If Tim Russ said the same thing about Threshold, would it be a good episode?
Details, details.
He remembered the important thing: they were there to honor TNG.
And so what if, say, Jolene Blalock didn't like it? Which I seem to recall that she did. Did you say "so what" to that, too?
My recollection is that Jolene hated it.
And so what if, say, Jolene Blalock didn't like it? Which I seem to recall that she did. Did you say "so what" to that, too?
Yeah, I hate it for my own reasons.
And rightly so. Being essentially a guest start in your own show's finale while two obviously older actors try to play their characters from over a decade ago... couldn't Frakes have at least used a girdle under that uniform..? Bah!
IMHO, the experience of the actors who were actually there on the set is necessarily different from the fannish experience - they might like it or not for personal reasons as much as anything. Maybe Keating is a secret Frakes fanboy and was just chuffed he got to meet him and his beard. And always with actors in interviews there's the issue of what they're prepared to go on the record as saying and what they're not - being openly critical of people who might influence your future job prosects isn't always the wisest choice. In that respect, I think it is telling that Blalock has criticised it publically, but there's no particular reason why fans have to let how the actors feel influence how they feel. There isn't a "right" answer here (apart from the obvious one, about TATV being a bag of balls )
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A big bag of balls could good, especially if you're into sports... tennis, golf, baseball, etc, etc.
TATV on the other hand... Well, you're really just insulting the balls.
TATV on the other hand... Well, you're really just insulting the balls.
Or more precisely, she called it "fucking appalling".
The montage of the Enterprises at the end.
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Thanks to Mike Sussman. The original ending was the 1701-D heading out of the aseriod field.
She just rose several notches in my book.
As others have said perhaps it was more to do with it being the final episode of ENT was to all intends and purposes a TNG episode.
It was framed around the time frame "Pegasus". The events we saw where recreations on the holodeck. In essence it was a poor way to send to ENT. If it was a farwell to Star Trek as a whole they sort of left out DSN and VOY.
It was framed around the time frame "Pegasus". The events we saw where recreations on the holodeck. In essence it was a poor way to send to ENT. If it was a farwell to Star Trek as a whole they sort of left out DSN and VOY.
SFX magazine have a feature on their website "10 ways to end a show" - Guess what example they chose to illustrate number 2: "Completely Balls It Up" 
http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/05/09/10-ways-to-end-a-show
http://www.sfx.co.uk/2011/05/09/10-ways-to-end-a-show
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... But TNG was more important than Enterprise. Or were you quoting for accuracy?
TNG was more important in ENT (in allowing to TOS to continue in new form). But even allowing for all that preceeded it, ENT should never have seceded to TNG.
TNG might have been more important than Enterprise in the wider scheme of things by some measures, but it wasn't more important than Enteprise to Enterprise. It also got seven series, and however many films to give itself a fitting tribute and finish.
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