How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
Osama Bin Laden is Dead
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How old are you, if you don't mind me asking?
I understand that you sleep nude, but I still can't figure out the purpose of the rubber ducky and packet of Mentos.
Mentos is the fresh-maker, duh.
What's made fresh is up to interpretation.
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Amaris
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Well then ... let's go to bed. To rest, of course.
I understand that you sleep nude, but I still can't figure out the purpose of the rubber ducky and packet of Mentos.
Mentos is the fresh-maker, duh.
What's made fresh is up to interpretation.
Ah, I see.
I mean, I see.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
For me, it's like celebrating on VJ day. I mean it's ok to celebrate a victory in a "war". It's not the first time someones death has been celebrated in the US. Now, we didn't see this much celebration when they got Sadam, maybe because he didn't effect us like Bin Laden and 9/11 does. Your right, a lot of things have happened since then and I;m still not happy with Obama, but this is a great victory and I'll let him enjoy it, he deserves it and the people needed this, so why not celebrate.
There is something else that bothers me about this, and maybe I'm being selfish, but, I feel it needs to be said.
When I said things have changed a lot in the last 10 years, I was thinking along the domestic front as well. Will Killing Bin Laden bring jobs to those who have been seeking work for a long time? Will Killing Bin Laden help the home market and start preventing foreclosures and help those still struggling because the economy went bad?
Justice may have been done, but it might have been sweeter a long time ago, like 5 or 6 years ago. Yeah it provides closure to the families and victims directly affected, but don't forget EVERYONE was affected by 9/11, either directly or indirectly.
Like I said, things change, and the impact of killing Bin Laden doesn't have that same impact to me as it probably should have. That, and like J. Allan said, maybe I am tired of this. Maybe I wake up tomorrow with a clearer head and think, yeah, it is a good time to celebrate.
I really want to apologize if I'm sounding insensitive here. I'm just saying how I feel.
When I said things have changed a lot in the last 10 years, I was thinking along the domestic front as well. Will Killing Bin Laden bring jobs to those who have been seeking work for a long time? Will Killing Bin Laden help the home market and start preventing foreclosures and help those still struggling because the economy went bad?
Justice may have been done, but it might have been sweeter a long time ago, like 5 or 6 years ago. Yeah it provides closure to the families and victims directly affected, but don't forget EVERYONE was affected by 9/11, either directly or indirectly.
Like I said, things change, and the impact of killing Bin Laden doesn't have that same impact to me as it probably should have. That, and like J. Allan said, maybe I am tired of this. Maybe I wake up tomorrow with a clearer head and think, yeah, it is a good time to celebrate.
I really want to apologize if I'm sounding insensitive here. I'm just saying how I feel.
I'm 26, and remember 9/11 like it was yesterday.
Ah, I see.
I mean, I see.
We'll be in our bunk.
I'm actually shocked. You think all that military presence and trillions of dollars and dead soldiers was in the service of killing Osama bin Laden as one of it's primary goals? ONE GUY? That's even more useless than the convoluted and self serving goals they ARE there for.
Osama bin Laden was a useful focal point of hatred. Yeah no one cares that he is dead, including me, but if I thought for one second all that manpower, money and invasion force was about HIM I would be even more angry about the US military presence around the world than I am now.
Nothing is going to change.
A LOT of people care that he is dead.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
I don't think you are bieng insensitive, I totally get what you are saying and agree, but just for this night and maybe tommorrow, i'm putting all of that aside, those problems will still be there when i'm done celebrating. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
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Amaris
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We'll be in our bunk.
I'll bring the chrysanthemums.
As one primary goal? Yes. We made a pledge to find him and either put him on trial or kill him. Along the way we started shearing off the arms and legs of Al-Qaeda, taking out top collaborators on our way to finding the head guy. It was never just for one guy, but that was the ultimate goal, to find him and capture him/kill him.
Because he executed the deaths of thousands of innocents, and that's just in the U.S. It's reasonable to hate a mass murderer who finds pleasure in said killing.
Millions of dollars/pounds/euros/yen are spent finding murders and other hardcore criminals, in many countries around the world by each nation's own police force. This was no different in that respect, except the manhunt was larger and cost more, but the goal was just as important, to bring such a mass murderer and his network of killers to justice.
Perhaps. Then again, perhaps things will change. There's just no way to know for the moment.
We'll be in our bunk.
I'll bring the chrysanthemums.
Kinky! I like where this is going.
You're closer to me in age, so I can understand you looking at other problems facing the nation. But the reporters on the scenes of these celebrations are reporting that many are in their late teens and early twenties. These are people who were between 8 and 12 years old. This guy was a flesh and blood boogieman, the face of the enemy who did 9/11.
This is the military of our country literally killing a generations collective embodiment of evil, of the shadow in the night out to get you. The real life Freddie Kruger or Jason.
I'm no shrink, but I'd be willing to bet that this reaction would be seen as a healthy reaction, and one which could be explained.
I totally get that, and agree with you as well. I actually got a bit emotional when Obama Spoke because his speech was great. Actually, There is a big positive to the news that I see, and that is the unity being felt in america, kind of like that unity the few weeks after 9/11. People are putting politics aside and celebrating a common thing, and really appreciating what our military and those involved have done. I can't and won't take that away from people. However, I see all these revelers in the streets, and I can't help but think back to that image of the same thing on 9/11/2001 in the middle east. Have we gone full circle?
Data,
That is an interesting way of looking at it and something I had not considered. Perhaps I am of a different mindset, kind of like how the baby boomer generation is of a different mindset and the ones before that. I was 17 on that day, and remember it like it was yesterday.
Maybe the way I can look at it is once I find a job, and our politicians get their act together and solve this economy problem and maybe get things the way they were in the 90s, that might be my Justice and I can celebrate in the streets. Let these people have their fun and just due, because like you say, they no doubt unarguably have deserved it finally.
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Amaris
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When the body is physically damaged, it is wise to bandage as many wounds as possible. This will not heal the whole of the body immediately, but it curbs the risk of infection, and allows the body's natural resources to be better spent elsewhere.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
That is what i'm seeing too, unity. It's a breath of fresh air, don't worry, it won't be long before we get back to talking about the budget and jobs and such. Leave it up to cable news to fuck up the moment, they will.
I care quite a bit that he is dead. Will it change things? Eh, no. Killing him did not remove his poisonous ideology from the planet. I'm not sure that it will ever be removed, actually. Nor will it end any of the wars.
But he was the mastermind behind a very, VERY shitty day for Americans. I won't forget that morning. So I am very happy justice was served. This needed to happen.
Tomalak, I felt a bit of the same thing looking at the revelers. However, I'd say there are some crucial differences - no guns, no burning of flags, and no "death to the East" chants (far as I saw, anyway.) This was a victory over a guy who caused a lot of heartache, not a frenzy of hate.
Of course, his death makes a difference. Just ask the family members and loved ones of those who died on 9/11. To them, it brings a sense of closure. I was listening to an interview of a man who lost a wife at the World Trade Center or Flight 93, and he was ecstatic when he heard the news of bin Laden's death, adding that he hopes the terrorist "rots in hell." It's the feeling families of crime victims feel when the murderer has been sentenced or executed. It may sound harsh, but that's human nature, to seek vengeance or justice.
Nowhere Man
Commodore
Agreed, if it makes one family member feel like they have closure, then it's worth it. Not having closure on someone's death can haunt you for the rest of your life.
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