6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

[Gov Kodos]

I wonder who she is talking to, Amy, the Doctor, other cast member, a silent? Also, who is the 'she' being referred to as dreaming: Amy, the little girl, someone else? Questions galore here, including how did Amy drift into this piece of time overlap, assuming it is one for a second.

As for the Silents, could the Silents have come to Earth through the cracks from last season, they causing the Tardis to explode so they could get into our universe?

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Not sure how the Doctor having every human being shooting a silence on site is a vicoty, even if they cant remeber, its not very Doctorish, alot more Riverish.

I was a touch uneasy about that, but I suppose that is the practical solution. The only way the Doctor can lead an uprising. It was also the witty solution. The Doctor going in guns blazing would have helped with that one specific case, but that's about it. Having the Silence always live in fear while around Humans solves the problem for good. And he did it by tricking them.

The little girl, well the ending, has Moffatt made it his goal to destory Galifery Base, and Who fandom generally? that is amazing, suggests the girl is the product of Amy & the Doctor.

I'm going product of Amy and the TARDIS.

River Song and the Doctor's timelines appear to be genuinely reversed, rather than out of order, which will be interesting.

I honestly thought it was about as subtle as you could get with that kind of thing. And yes, there were gay couples in 1969 who wanted to get married.

This.

I loved how it was set up because you see Nixon being the Nixon of the tapes, but realizing that he is indebted to this person and trying to suppress his personal feelings. Then the last line caught him completely by surprise. Essentially his response was 1969 isn't ready for it.

 

[Gov Kodos]

Amy was curious about whether travel in the Tardis could have an effect on a foetus. Hence her explaining to the Doctor why she'd talked to him first over Rory. He may also have ideas having scanned Amy and gotten that odd result of the pregnancy swapping between positive and negative.

 

[Jax]

River Song and the Doctor's timelines appear to be genuinely reversed, rather than out of order, which will be interesting.

Which makes me believe that The Doctor is the first one to put the moves on River not the other way around, from her POV.

 

[UssGlenn]

River Song and the Doctor's timelines appear to be genuinely reversed, rather than out of order, which will be interesting.

We know of at least one future meeting that will be late in both the Doctors and Rivers timeline, the one where he has a new haircut and gives her the screwdriver. has anybody figured out the order River's episodes happen from her perspective?

 

[bryce]

Great...*ANOTHER* race that has been influencing human history all along! How many is that for Who now? 4? 5?

I found this on io9.com - here: http://io9.com/#!5783845/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-doctor-who

9) At least three different races have secretly guided the human race and helped us develop our current technology. The Daemon, Azal, reveals that the Daemons have helped humanity to advance to its present state of sophistication, and now we're to be tested (in "The Daemons.") The Fendahl also turns out to have guided the whole of human history to the moment where it could be released (in "Image of the Fendahl.") And Scaroth, last of the Jagaroth, uses his various time-splintered selves to help the human race advance more quickly throughout history, so he can build a time machine in the 20th century. ("City of Death.") Plus there's some implication the Osirians (from "Pyramids of Mars") did some guiding of humanity here and there. You have to wonder if they weren't falling over each other at some point.

So guess we can add race #5 to that list! It *IS* a wonder that all of these folks weren't constantly tripping over each other's toes!

(Or maybe they were!? It would make an interesting "secret history". Or maybe they were all truly oblivious of each other...?)

 

[Jax]

River Song and the Doctor's timelines appear to be genuinely reversed, rather than out of order, which will be interesting.

We know of at least one future meeting that will be late in both the Doctors and Rivers timeline, the one where he has a new haircut and gives her the screwdriver. has anybody figured out the order River's episodes happen from her perspective?

Ah yeh I forgot about that so the River we just saw has one final meeting with him, the one when he knows shes going to die soon. However we need to meet earlier versions of her showing them possibly as a couple and even further to her first meeting with him. The beauty of her character is there first meeting from her POV could actually be with the 11th Doctor or even the 12th Doctor.

She says the final meeting from her POV was he turned up on her door step with a new haircut and suit, I wonder if that indicates maybe the 12th Doctor will meet her one of the first things he does with his new regneration. Also back in the Library she says am sorry before she whispers his name into his ear but why sorry unless the only time he could tell her is maybe not just marriage but his death ? Moffat tell me

 

[Skywalker]

What would have been even cooler is if they'd inserted the "You should kill us all on sight!" clip between "One small step for" and "man," thereby explaining the controversy over whether or not Armstrong said "for man" or "for a man."

 

[Cutter John]

Hmm, so if you think about it, every DW story ever made that was set on Earth could have had a Silence poking about int he background. It makes you wonder if they would have acted on their own against all those alien invaders if the doctor hadn't been around.

Amy and Rory both just sparkle das characters this time around. Some great development throughout the whole story. And River just seems to get more awsome everytime I see her.

The Doctor to Nixon: "Tape everything that happens in this office!" Brilliant!

River: "What are you doing?"

Doctor: "Helping."

River: "You've got a screwdriver! Go put up a cabinet!"

I swear, Eleven is just freakin' adorable sometimes.


I'm hoping we'll find out more about them in the future. I have to admit, other than slinking about in the background, and killing that one woman, we they really that big of a menace? I mean were they absorbing humans for food on a regular basis?

And I have no doubt that by episode twelve we'll all be smiling (I hope) and shouting AH-HA! at our tv's.

And yep, the gay agenda is back. Maybe it was just instinct left over from RTD's era, but when the subject finally came up, I was just sitting there waiting for it.

As for the ending, I'm not even going to try to speculate. Just gonna sit here and let things unfold.

And finally, I'm so flipping glad I've stuck to my guns regarding spoilers. I heard someone at DWM spilled the beans about the ending.

 

[JRoss]

This episode should really silence all criticism of the first part.

Eleven's handling of the Silents was the greatest defeat of a villain since Seven defeated Davros in Remembrance of the Daleks.

 

[Australis]

^ This.

As for the ending, I'm not even going to try to speculate. Just gonna sit here and let things unfold.

And this.

 

[Caleuche]

I'm really surprised to read that a lot of people thought The Doctor instructed humans to commit genocide. I didn't get that impression at all. I merely saw it as a scare tactic against The Silence and they would flee.

He did instruct/brainwash the Human race to commit genocide - the question is whether the Silence fled before it could be carried out (Technically the Silence gave the instruction, the Doctor just gave it a much wider audience). I must admit I made the assumption that the Silence manipulating the Human race so they could have a space suit meant they didn't have the technology themselves and therefore no space travel (and therefore no fleeing). Looking back its a faulty assumption especially as Rivers points out the suit is riddled with alien tech. Which does beg the question, why did they need Humanity to develop the suit if they had the capabilty to take it from their history or from another advanced race?

 

[Brent]

Here we go again, typical "Americans like to shoot everyone" stereotype. That aside, the episode was just as jarring and all over the place as the first one. Even more lose ends with no answers. Who is the little girl? How did the suite fit into the story? What does The silence will fall mean? What was the goal again of these aliens, just to build a suite? Again what does that mean, why did they need a self sustaining suite for a little girl. Where they maybe trying to keep her from regenerating? Why can she regenerate? What happens to the Doctor, does he still get shot and killed in 200 years? If the little girl just regenerated and the suite is out of the picture how can she and the suite still come back to shoot him? Where did they get this impenetrable material to build a prison out of in 1969? Who was the lady who talked to Amy through the door?

I'm left with more questions than answers after watching the two parter, it's like this whole premier has been a big setup for this season or something. Which is kind of annoying.

As an American, the accents were off again, it kinda came off funny with them trying to do American accents. An awful line was when one of the NASA people said he just wanted his son to grow up as a good American or something, that was odd. Also, the makeup was terrible on the president, at one point I could see the seams of the appliance on his face. I'm kinda getting tired of this view that all Americans are gung ho carrying shoot first ask questions later people. It isn't really like that.

I did like having more TARDIS play in this episode, all the hopping about, having more screen time inside the TARDIS. Though I want to see more of the inside, we keep getting teased with the pool, LET US ACTUALLY SEE IT. We've seen it in the classic series, so stop teasing us, and show it to us.

Overall, it seems like to me that Moffat has some good ideas, and is great with monsters, but it seems he can't put a good coherent story together that isn't all over the place. Maybe he puts a little too much in there all at once.

 

[Saul]

That was a good episode but I'm a little pissed that so little was explained. I guess I'm used to the RTD era of mostly self contained two parters. I feel like so very little was resolved from the opening ten minutes of the season. We still don't know who the girl is. We still don't know why the Silence had her. We still don't know why she killed the Doctor. We still don't know how the Doctor survives. We still don't know why he sent the Companions back to witness his death. We still don't know why the damaged Silence Tardis was in the "The Lodger". We still don't know how/why the Silence detonated the Tardis in the season finale...

I'm also a bit ticked off that so much is left unanswered. Good episode but We seem to know little more than we did before.

What about the spacesuit? What did they do with that? Did they just leave it there and let it repair itself for it to return in future and get revenge on the doctor on behalf of the silence. Who was the seven of nine chick? I thought it was river for a second.
I don't mind having questions, I'm not bothered by mind fu*k time travel but I need some answers to the previous questions before we are given more and more. It makes me less interested in the following episode which doesn't look like it will be dealing with any of these mysteries.

 

[RevdKathy]

Just be glad Doctor Who isn't a 22-episode season, or their heads would explode. I guess some people can't handle the idea of progressive storytelling. Or telenovellas. Frankly, I'll be quite happy if that woman in the door isn't revealed until the 50th anniversary episode, with little clues given along the way. Moffat won't wait that long, but just as the first episode of Series 5 set up the first episode of Series 6, I wouldn't put it past him to begin sowing the seeds for Series 7 now.

What bugs me though are these are the same critics who adored Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes and LOST despite the fact they were far brutal with the lack of answers until the end and there stories took 2, 3 and 6 years compared to the several months this one will take.

I never watched any of those, for exactly that reason. I suspect I shall drop out of Doctor Who in a week or two when we're still no further forward. I don't watch serials. I don't like serials. If I wanted to watch that, there's plenty of other stuff. I'll give you a prediction for this though - ratings will fall.

A few other comments - how does a lone child get from Florida to New York in 9 months?

The method of dealing with the Silents doesn't work. How utterly stupid to think that every human being has seen the Moon landing. There are millions, if not billions who still live without electricity, let alone any way of viewing footage like that. All the Silents have to do is switch their operations to Africa, China or chunks of eastern Europe and it's business as usual. And that's not counting all the people who've seen the footage but don't happen to keep a suitable weapon handy at all times. Presumably those places don't matter to the Doctor (or the viewer). For that matter, if part of the plan was to influence space exploration, it didn't stop after 1969, did it. Feels very sloppy writing. And that's the story they claim they 'did' resolve.

 

[Brent]

Also, its really not a good prison if you can keep coming and going at will. The doctor is just leisurely standing there as he drops River back off at the prison. And there are no guards or anything paying attention. What a nice prison. There is honestly a lot of ridiculousness in Doctor Who over the years that we just have to accept or dismiss, but honestly there is a point where some stuff just becomes overly ridiculous.

 

[Brent]

I figured the Dwarf Star metal was just something they happened to have stored at Area 51, after recovering it from some downed spacecraft. And since it was on hand, that's what they used. If it hadn't been available, they would have come up with something else. Also, I think the door eyepatch lady will turn up again in the episode that has the clown holding the balloon.

For all we know it's like the Cheese guy in that one Buffy ep, that kept asking if they wanted a slice of cheese, just total random nonsense. Who knows, maybe that's what the eyepatch lady here is lol


I will say this, Amy was the hottest while she was in the Lodger TARDIS, with the light shining on her face, those close ups shots, OMG, she has the cutest face EVER!

And will people stop calling them The Silents, they clearly stated that they are called "The Silence" in this episode, thanks.

 

[RevdKathy]

Apparently they use 'silent' for singlar and 'silence' for the plural. So that's a whole generation of kids whose grammar is going to be screwed up.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

I believe "Farscape" had a "don't 'splain it" policy or at least they joked about having one. I believe that it isn't always necessary to have everything explained immediately. There should be some mystery!

It's cool to have something unexplained, some part of the story left for the imagination, but with too many mysteries and time travel with missing parts in the wrong order, you can't make sense of what's left. Usually when there's a mystery I expect to at least understand the part that's not a mystery.

My thoughts exactly. I find it very hard to believe that The Doctor doesn't realize he wrote the messages and probably knows something about his death, but he's just playing coy.

One thing that a human can't do is ignore a piece of information that he knows when making his decisions. Maybe the Doctor can? He knows that he will kill himself, but he knows that he shouldn't know that, so he makes every decision excluding that information in the process, which also includes the pretension that he doesn't know.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

Heh. A Schrödinger pregnancy. Gotta love that.