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6x02 Day of the Moon (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!!)

How dost thou rate the Doctor's adventure?


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Doctor Who writers work to 13 episodes and then reset. It's not the same thing at all. Lost went on too long so there was never going to be a resolution that wasn't a let down. BSG lost direction half way through its run and never ever got it back again, so the ending wasn't so much a let down as just more mess.
 
Doctor Who writers work to 13 episodes and then reset. It's not the same thing at all. Lost went on too long so there was never going to be a resolution that wasn't a let down. BSG lost direction half way through its run and never ever got it back again, so the ending wasn't so much a let down as just more mess.
While that's true generally, this has already been building up all last series too, with the Silence being mentioned quite often, and the ship from the Lodger. I loved last series and I was all for a proper story arc through a series. I guess last night's ep just left me unconvinced after really enjoying the first half.
 
To be fair, you didn't really need to know that the Silence were mentioned previously to understand this episode (the quick flashback explained it). Last season when I heard "we ran from the Silence," I just assumed they meant the cracks, since the place where everything was wiped from history would be essentially a silent, empty void. The Lodger ship also needed no explanation last year and was easily explained this year. Yes, it's a continuing thread, but not any more detailed that Worf's character arc in TNG (Sins of the Father, Reunion, Redemption, Birth Right). The River Song storyline is more involved, but it's almost a side to the episodes, so, as long as it continues to be enjoyable, I'm fine with it.

Which makes me believe that The Doctor is the first one to put the moves on River not the other way around, from her POV.

Oh, I think that's almost certain at this point. Probably in the same way, where he thinks they've done it before and she's caught by surprise. She said how she was essentially an ignorant girl when she met the Doctor and he knew everything about her.

River Song and the Doctor's timelines appear to be genuinely reversed, rather than out of order, which will be interesting.

We know of at least one future meeting that will be late in both the Doctors and Rivers timeline, the one where he has a new haircut and gives her the screwdriver. has anybody figured out the order River's episodes happen from her perspective?

Yeah, my guess is that story will be at the end. He'll go back to the beginning of her life and their first meeting. Then he'll know he has to go to the future and give her his screwdriver and it'll be the last time they'll meet.

As for the order. This is the earliest moment. When she kissed the Doctor, she felt this was common. In later episodes, she never tries. Since the Doctor was surprised, she realized that this was the last time she'll do it, since, in all the other episodes we've seen, she never did.

In the Weeping Angels episode, she mentions that he'll next see her when the Pandorica Opens. This means that episode is before the Angels episode. So it has to be:

Impossible Astronaut
Pandorica Opens
Time of Angels
(Doctor gives her his screwdriver)
Silence in the Library

ETA: About Amy's pregnancy. She's clearly not pregnant yet. Or, she is and isn't. My guess is the TARDIS is showing something that hasn't happened yet. After all, she thought she was pregnant six months ago. If she were six months pregnant, she wouldn't have run so easily from Canton Delaware at the beginning of the episode, that's for sure.
 
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I loved it. Need to watch it a couple more times to catch the little things, but I have no problem with the resolution or the dangling threads.

I agree with Alidar Jarok's timeline. this was River realising she'll never to able to kiss the Doctor again. Also, Moffat had said in his Twitter that in Pandorica, River did recognise Rory, but she pretends she didn't. Maybe because at the beginning of the last episode Rory had no idea what was happening when River and the Doctor were checking their diaries, so she knew at Pandorica that Rory doesn't know she could already know him.
 
ETA: About Amy's pregnancy. She's clearly not pregnant yet. Or, she is and isn't. My guess is the TARDIS is showing something that hasn't happened yet. After all, she thought she was pregnant six months ago. If she were six months pregnant, she wouldn't have run so easily from Canton Delaware at the beginning of the episode, that's for sure.

I like the idea that she is in a quantum superposition of states akin to Schrödinger's cat, possibly because she is somehow simultaneously present in two different timelines, viz. the unexpected vision of
Lady Kovarian
in the door.
 
The little girl regenerates, but knows that she can regenerate which would seem to imply its not the first time she has done so.
I would rule her out as being the daughter of Doctor/Amy(unless the Silence gave them some suggestions). Now her being the daughter of Doctor/River makes a little more sense but only if it happens soon. I dont believe the Dotor would take advantage of a woman that barely knows him(as they keep meeting in vaguely reverse order) So that leaves her open to being any other timelord which is actually much more exciting to contemplate.
 
I was thinking about last weeks episode, we didn't see what happened to Rory. Something happened last week, he was attacked, then we just see them run off this week. Then they were doing somethign to Amy but we don't know how long for. Maybe they took Rory's DNA and made her pregnant?
 
Maybe it was that I watched it at 3AM but this one didn't do much for me. I'd give it 5/10. It didn't "wow" me in any way. I found part one much better.
 
I was thinking about last weeks episode, we didn't see what happened to Rory. Something happened last week, he was attacked, then we just see them run off this week. Then they were doing somethign to Amy but we don't know how long for. Maybe they took Rory's DNA and made her pregnant?

good point, we really don't know what happened to Rory, but River was there too, and from the flash back it looks like they got out of the tunnels really quickly after the cliffhanger.

Also, there's a chunk of Amy time we're missing. When she saw the Slience on the ceiling and then the door just mysteriously opened and we saw a Slient behind the door after she left. What happened in between?
 
The little girl regenerates, but knows that she can regenerate which would seem to imply its not the first time she has done so.
I would rule her out as being the daughter of Doctor/Amy(unless the Silence gave them some suggestions). Now her being the daughter of Doctor/River makes a little more sense but only if it happens soon. I dont believe the Dotor would take advantage of a woman that barely knows him(as they keep meeting in vaguely reverse order) So that leaves her open to being any other timelord which is actually much more exciting to contemplate.

There already is a daughter of the Doctor. Why can't it be her?
 
Watched this again a little while ago and enjoyed it. Still a lot of unanswered questions, and that ending with the girl's regeneration is still a jaw-dropper. There are a lot of theories about who she could be and I have no clue myself. If she is Amy's daughter, I just hope she isn't also River; I'd prefer a more TARDISey explanation. If she isn't Amy's, or even River's....oh, I just don't know!! :D
 
The little girl regenerates, but knows that she can regenerate which would seem to imply its not the first time she has done so.
I would rule her out as being the daughter of Doctor/Amy(unless the Silence gave them some suggestions). Now her being the daughter of Doctor/River makes a little more sense but only if it happens soon. I dont believe the Dotor would take advantage of a woman that barely knows him(as they keep meeting in vaguely reverse order) So that leaves her open to being any other timelord which is actually much more exciting to contemplate.

There already is a daughter of the Doctor. Why can't it be her?

That...makes a great deal of sense, actually. Jenny was technically only a few hours old when she died, so you could always technobabble it up that her first regeneration reverted her to a more appropriate biological age, and she's been getting older with each new regeneration. Sort of like Spock on the Genesis planet.

I'm sure that's not the explanation, but I like it.
 
So that means there are two other Time Lords around the Doctor doesn't sense, bringing into doubt his ability to sense Time Lords these days. Plus, there's uncertainty about the existence of the Master.
 
Also, there's a chunk of Amy time we're missing. When she saw the Slience on the ceiling and then the door just mysteriously opened and we saw a Slient behind the door after she left. What happened in between?
Can't have been too long since Canton was talking to the caretaker at that time. But it's all very uncertain. That "she's dreaming" line still throws me as to what is going on. Could it be a later episode where all the past adventures were supposedly a dream?

So that means there are two other Time Lords around the Doctor doesn't sense, bringing into doubt his ability to sense Time Lords these days. Plus, there's uncertainty about the existence of the Master.
But are they actually timelords or is it some kind of genetic passover of the Doctor's regenration ability? You have to wonder why the Doctor's regeneration was stopped. Possibly to pass it over to someone else to save their life?
 
damnit!

BTW, since it was recorded, does that mean every time we rewatch the moon landing recording, we're seeing the Silence ordering us to kill them?
 
damnit!

BTW, since it was recorded, does that mean every time we rewatch the moon landing recording, we're seeing the Silence ordering us to kill them?

There's only one way to find out! (remember to press your Logan's Run hand button when you do, though).
 
So that means there are two other Time Lords around the Doctor doesn't sense, bringing into doubt his ability to sense Time Lords these days. Plus, there's uncertainty about the existence of the Master.

The little girl doesn't have to be a Time Lord, since we know the ability to regenerate (and any limitations on it once granted) is somehow artificially given - hence they could offer the Master a new life cycle in both the classic and new series.
 
So that means there are two other Time Lords around the Doctor doesn't sense, bringing into doubt his ability to sense Time Lords these days. Plus, there's uncertainty about the existence of the Master.

The little girl doesn't have to be a Time Lord, since we know the ability to regenerate (and any limitations on it once granted) is somehow artificially given - hence they could offer the Master a new life cycle in both the classic and new series.

Yes, and there's also the issue of fob watches, though the little girl was seen sporting this:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31BDX0BBADL._SL500_AA300_.jpg
 
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