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Hate Enterprise, then come to love it?

Some people say that the lyrics are a bit cheesy. I guess that might be true but with English not being my first language I probably don't notice that as much.

I have to admit, I snickered a little bit when I first heard the intro, but I get what they were trying to do with it so...it works. It's actually grown on me.
 
I sort of love to hate the intro. It is cheesy, but it sort of sums up the show for me, so I wouldn't swap it now, and dammit, I do just love a good sing-along.
 
I know TOS only had three, but didn't all the others get seven series?

ENT wuz robbed !

TOS got:

- Three TV Seasons on NBC (80 one hour episodes with the restored 'The Cage' pilot)

- Two animated seasons (24 thirty minute episode)

- Six full length feature films (and 20 minutes in ST: Generations)

ENT got:

- Four TV seasons on UPN (98 one hour episodes total)

So, in terms of overall screentime hours (across multiple meadia) TOS and ENT ended up with about the same overall exposure.
 
Yes, I hated the first two seasons for being derivative of VOY (which itself was just warmed over TNG). My opinion improved in S3, when the show got more ambitious (serialized) but I'd already seen DS9 do that, and better, so I wasn't exactly wild about it then either. Then my opinion got much better in S4 when Manny Coto took over and improved things significantly.

I don't have the same opinion of a show over its run if the show itself changes over time. My opinion reflects the actual state of the show at any given time. ENT underwent significant improvements, which is something that doesn't usually happen with TV shows. If anything, they just get worse over time.

But the episodes that sucked still suck and the episodes that were good are still good. Once the episodes are made, that's it, there's no changing them.
 
ENT originally aired during a very tough time in my life-my work schedule was awful and I was chronically exhausted. I did watch it all the way through during the original run, but I only had one eye on the screen. I had taped them all on VHS at the time and about 2 years ago I watched the entire series from start to finish. I was captivated and became a very strong fan of the show. I really think that overall it was a very strong series and they had some truly great Trek shows. I thought season 3 was especially good and I really enjoyed the entire Xindi arc. Watching it after it had been canceled you could really see that they were shut down as they were hitting a tremendous stride. A terrible shame, really.
 
Loved it right from the start and I think the first season of Enterprise was better than the first seasons of TNG, DS9 and VOY.
I think at the time people were just tired of Star Trek sadly and some of the inflexible fans just hated it for ridiculous reasons. I suppose they just couldn't imagine that getting Enterprise canceled would kill of the franchise for a while.
Everybody took Trek on tv for granted. :/

Enterprise really caught me off guard - love and hate were never options - it was Star Trek. So it was unpleasant surprise when I discovered the unthinkable, it wasn't for me.

Its the only show I can ever recall voluntarily giving up on, others if I see the pilot, I think I've always seen the finale unless it moved to a channel I didn't have.

Worse than that, to quote Scotty in Relics 'It soured the milk' I've hardly watched any Star Trek since then. I suppose in a way its good it did wean me off Star Trek while I had a choice, rather wait 4 years for it to be snatched away.

Maybe I did have a silly reason to hate it from day 1 - Scott went to Paramount to revive Quantum Leap. Enterprise killed that revival.

I've pretty much forgotten most of what I saw of the show, I'd have to be paid to revisit it. A lot.

So if you are wondering why am I posting here I'll quote Spock in Unification 'In the end all we had were the arguments, I will miss the arguments.' I like to hold on to that bitterness. It's all thats left.

I do appreciate it, for allowing me to understand how fans could be so let down, and turn on a show. It happened with Dr Who (when I started watching it)

Just remembering reading 'Enterprise Axed' still brings an evil grin to my face. It was satisfying.

Ween you off ST??? You're on a ST BBS! On an ENT forum!! At the very least you should watch season 3 and 4 again. You know Quantum Leap wasn't all that hot...the concept could withstand maybe a few episodes, but a whole series? Get over it.

RAMA
 
Ween you off ST??? You're on a ST BBS! On an ENT forum!! At the very least you should watch season 3 and 4 again.

I can't watch them again, never saw them in the first place. And to be more accurate it soured the experience of WATCHING Star Trek for me.

I'm happy to frequent the boards, mainly in it for Dr Who. I search via new posts, rather than lurk around the Enterprise and other sections.

I have all of TOS and its sequels on DVD, the last Trek I watched on DVD was Relics, just after James Dooham died.

I've caught the odd repeat on TV - mainly TNG or Voyager, or the movies, but that's it these days.
 
I used to like it, then I hated it for a while. And I'm now starting to like it again.

Although the thing that bugs is why they couldn't have made the xindi conflict the romulan war. It would've made it canon and attracted viewers. They could've done the same type of stories just change the circumstances a bit.

Heck, that was one thing I was happy about. I thought DS9 did a dis-service to the fans by making it an issue in Trails and Tribble-ations. I would have preferred if they just let it pass and let the audience assume that the ridges were always there.
While I liked Affliction/Divergence, I really like an idea someone came up with in the DS9 forum re. Trials and Tribble-ations: instead of keeping Michael Dorn in the standard TNG-era Klingon makeup, put him in the TOS-era Klingon makeup instead and don't even call attention to it, just have everyone act as if it's completely normal.

That would have been brilliant. :lol:

LOL! That's awesome!

*sigh*

Why didn't they do that?
 
I used to like it, then I hated it for a while. And I'm now starting to like it again.

Although the thing that bugs is why they couldn't have made the xindi conflict the romulan war. It would've made it canon and attracted viewers. They could've done the same type of stories just change the circumstances a bit.

I'm sure someone will chime in with more accurate info but-- I heard they wanted to do that and Paramount said "no, we might want to use the romulan war in a movie some day in the never never so you can't use the romulan war."
 
I think it would've been just a tad too soon for the Romulan war. Laying the groundwork, sure, but open warfare any sooner than a hypothetical fifth season would be pushing it.

As it was, the Xindi thing was a nifty setup for the final resolution of the Temporal Cold War (since it was an outgrowth of that misbegotten plot idea in the first place, it just follows).
 
I think it would've been just a tad too soon for the Romulan war. Laying the groundwork, sure, but open warfare any sooner than a hypothetical fifth season would be pushing it.

As it was, the Xindi thing was a nifty setup for the final resolution of the Temporal Cold War (since it was an outgrowth of that misbegotten plot idea in the first place, it just follows).

FYI - if CBS/Paramount had stuck with some of the more accepted aspects that they themselves had hinted to (in the TOS season sets about the earth/Romulan War - mainly that it lasted 4 years and ended in 2161 with the formation/birth of teh Federation as a result - the Founding worlds were all the allied world in the E/R war); by Seasons 6 or 7 of ENT (had it gotten a full 7 seasons); they would have had to make some mention of it (whether they involved the NX-01 in any Romulan War stories or not.
 
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