Except for Spock and Scott, it would seem the entire Enterprise senior staff is indeed cadets.
Not too hard to do when watching on a 40" 1080p set.
Why did Pike promote Kirk...
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Except for Spock and Scott, it would seem the entire Enterprise senior staff is indeed cadets.
Not too hard to do when watching on a 40" 1080p set.
Monkey wrench time.
Do we know that the red uniform is specifically a "cadet" uniform?
Do we know that the red uniform is specifically a "cadet" uniform?
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Technically... no.
But it's the only thing we see being worn, when San Francisco is being attacked, on the Starfleet Academy campus.
To be fair, this movie pretty much takes the Federation, Starfleet and Starfleet Academy and puts them all in a blender. We have people ranking from Ensign to Captain wearing 'cadet' uniforms in various parts of the movie.
So, while I may not agree with it, I can see someone challenging whether or not these are Academy only uniforms.
So, while I may not agree with it, I can see someone challenging whether or not these are Academy only uniforms.
Yeah, just look at a red circle long enough, eventually it will become a green square.
...Elsewhere in Trek, what they wear in the Academy appears to be what they wear after the Academy, with truly minimal variations (TNG cadet uniforms are more or less the DS9 standard ones, TOS cadet uniform from "Shore Leave" is the standard one in another nondistinct color). The TOS movies and some TNG era flashbacks make an unholy mess of the tunics and jumpsuits, completely debunking the idea that one or the other, in any color combo, would be a purebred "cadet uniform".
This. TPTB may have made an effort to define "cadet uniform", but they failed rather miserably at that.
Timo Saloniemi
This. TPTB may have made an effort to define "cadet uniform", but they failed rather miserably at that.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo, whatever happened in anything POST-TOS/POST-nu!Trek does not apply because the time line has been wiped. Whatever Starfleet has done POST-TOS/POST-nu!Trek does not even matter, its a different organization and obviously from the way of things a different institution all together. If you keep telling me to stop bringing "real world" equivalents into Starfleet Academy then supporting your debate with a "future" that no longer exists in this movie is moot.
This isn't rocket science. You don't walk on a campus where the uniform is standard and try to figure out " Hmmm i wonder who the cadets are! " when it's pretty damn obvious who they are. Teachers are not going to wear the same stupid uniform as a cadet, no institution has run that way and I fucking doubt they're going to start acting that way in the future. The movie was quite explicit in every Academy scene in declaring who was the "instructors" (1, 2, and 3) and who weren't (1, 2, and 3).
Who were the captain's in cadet uniforms, btw? Kirk's promotion doesn't count -- even West Point graduates don't wear an Army uniform on their day. And the next scene we jump to Kirk in his command gold with his ship with every other bridge member that graduated.
I mean, really, not rocket science people.
This isn't rocket science. You don't walk on a campus where the uniform is standard and try to figure out " Hmmm i wonder who the cadets are! " when it's pretty damn obvious who they are. Teachers are not going to wear the same stupid uniform as a cadet, no institution has run that way and I fucking doubt they're going to start acting that way in the future. The movie was quite explicit in every Academy scene in declaring who was the "instructors" (1, 2, and 3) and who weren't (1, 2, and 3).
Who were the captain's in cadet uniforms, btw? Kirk's promotion doesn't count -- even West Point graduates don't wear an Army uniform on their day. And the next scene we jump to Kirk in his command gold with his ship with every other bridge member that graduated.
I mean, really, not rocket science people.
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But, apparently, starship senior medical officers do (at least on the ground)...
McCoy (in 'cadet' uniform): Or would you like to explain to Captain Pike why the Enterprise warped into a crisis without one of its senior medical officers?
Not 'without one of its' medics' or 'without one of its' medical officers'.
McCoy is a doctor. He went to med school, he didn't learn medical out of Starfleet so why would it seem strange that him, being a man with a doctorates in Medicine, be stationed as a "medical officer" when his years of experience in the field supersedes the majority that come into Starfleet?
Who knows, maybe senior medical officer is another term for doctor and medical officers are simply nurses of various education levels (LPN, RN, Lab tech, etc). Whatever the case maybe for his "designation" (obvious how some cadets ended up getting senior spots on the bridge), it doesn't mean he was a commissioned officer.
Okay, Ensign (Chekov) Lieutenant (Sulu, Uhura and Kirk) and Lieutenant Commander (McCoy).
He was only one step away from being the Chief Medical Officer when he boarded the Enterprise (in a 'cadet' uniform). Plus, he holds a Lieutenant Commander rank.
I'm sure Spock, as XO, would know who was next in line among Enterprise doctors to head the Medical Department.
Um, err, they didn't even know who was next in line to be Captain.
The only thing we can take away from this is that Pike had no faith in whoever the Enterprise second officer was. Perhaps it was helmsman McKenna who was down with lungworm or Lt. Hannity who seemed unable to use the universal translator...
Starfleet in STXI actually has a serious shortage of uniform types. What our heroes wear shipboard is for indoors use only (unless we count TOS, e.g. the built-in heaters of "Spock's Brain" - and we must, because information from the rest of the Trek universe is apparently disallowed in this discussion). The only outdoors uniform types are the red/grey with pants or the red/grey with skirt. If only cadets and instructors are allowed to wear those, we're talking about a very unhappy Starfleet...
The idea of an all-cadet team of heroes is ridiculous enough already. To force senior officers like McCoy into the mold seems artificial and fruitless.
Timo Saloniemi
The idea of an all-cadet team of heroes is ridiculous enough already. To force senior officers like McCoy into the mold seems artificial and fruitless.
Timo Saloniemi
Uh, it was a spur of the moment decision. They're under attack, they lost half of their medical bay and their CMO. McCoy answered. Spock didn't just know nor had time to go through the roster, " Hmmm? I wonder who's in the chain of command!
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Okay, Ensign (Chekov) Lieutenant (Sulu, Uhura and Kirk) and Lieutenant Commander (McCoy).
Go read my long post a page or two back about Midshipman Ranks.
There are several uniforms presented. Cadet, Instructor, Board of Directors, Cadets (training), Other Personnel (can't be bothered to find it). What do you think the military is? The House of Chanel? There's only a "certain" designated uniform for "certain" occasions.
Heck... you could almost make a case that the 'Reds' were a junior dress uniform and the 'Grays' were a senior dress uniform. And that cadets were required to wear their dress uniforms on the Academy campus when not engaged in activities that call for other uniforms.
...You mean the ranks that don't mean squat when put against real ranks? A make-believe Lieutenant Commander wouldn't be a "senior officer" - he'd be junior to the first "true" Ensign aboard the vessel.
...Yet serendipitously enough ended up choosing somebody who happened to be a senior officer, rather than a cadet.
Timo Saloniemi
...Yet serendipitously enough ended up choosing somebody who happened to be a senior officer, rather than a cadet.
Timo Saloniemi
McCoy's response to "you've inherited his duties..." was "Tell me something I don't know."
McCoy was next in the medical chain of command.
McCoy was next in the medical chain of command.
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