You're really ascribing way too much thought to "Roddenberry's vision" of women in the future. Roddenberry put women in the clothes he personally wanted to see them in and then spent a great deal of time attempting to justify it one way or the other. But he was always looking for a way to work his personal, and juvenile, sexual fantasies into his work.
Female Command Officers & the Uniform Code
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"You cannot write in science fiction; you certainly cannot read it very much, and deal in these terms across whole galaxies, without realizing that sexual equality is as basic as any other kind of equality. This does not mean that, in future pictures, I will ever stop using women as sex objects -- I will not -- but to be fair, we have always used, and will be continuing to use, males as sex objects too. As a matter of fact, when I was younger, and much more agile, I've been used as a sex object myself; I think it's great fun."
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Gene Roddenberry, "The Enterprise Runs Aground," "Inside Star Trek (Columbia Records, 1974)
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Gene Roddenberry, "The Enterprise Runs Aground," "Inside Star Trek (Columbia Records, 1974)
All I can say is this: even the episodes with the worst, most embarrassing stories make very enjoyable watching because of the miniskirts and cleavage. Compare this to Voyager etc: if the story sucks, there is nothing else for it.
Of course, not just uniforms, but alien princesses as well.
Of course, not just uniforms, but alien princesses as well.
Lol. I don't object to women being sex objects, I object to them being nothing more than sex objects. I also object to there being so few of them compared to the men. Read into that what you will...
I too wore mini-skirts and even micro-mini-skirts (one year they were in fashion.) However, in those times, pretty much that was what you got if you were under the age of what, 40 or 50? Only older women wore skirts that weren't mini-skirts. In some respects, it was a lack of nice stuff to wear. Dresses/skirts were mandatory in my schools through around 1969 or 1970, if memory recalls, and my dad didn't allow me to wear slacks or jeans to school until around 1972.
You couldn't GET anything but a mini.
Not everyone was in rebellion against the 50s, I was born at the tail of it and didn't recollect their styles, obviously.
Some of us wore the short skirts due to lack of alternatives or due to peer pressure and not to be feminist or liberated or whatever.
Lest y'all think I'm an utter prude, I just didn't like showing off my ass. I wasn't averse to low-cut or tight tops.So I'm partly a hypocrite. Still, my bra never was allowed to show.
I'm grateful for this whole thread in general. The screen caps from the series as well as the illustrations have been extremely useful. I will be attending the con in Vegas this year and I wanted to wear a uniform from TOS on one of the days. I feel like I can pull together something fairly realistic looking based on the information in this thread. I'm going on 37 and while I'm a reasonably attractive lady, I just feel like I've passed the miniskirt phase of my life. I remembered seeing women in trouser uniforms while watching episodes of the show, and having them all here for me to study was very convenient. I plan on wearing the tunic/trouser combination and I think I'll feel comfortable in that. I'm going with the red.
Good for you, and good luck costuming! Of course, you realize you'll have to post picks when you get it finished?
Aye Captain!
Well, that explains the TMP novelization, I guess.
^^^
And Kirk's ripped shirts
And the short-lived male skant uniform during the first season of TNG
And Kirk's ripped shirts
And the short-lived male skant uniform during the first season of TNG
That male skant uniform was ridiculous.
No different than the miniskirts men wore in ancient times, IMO.
That's a good point. But in that instance it seems normal. In the context of a futuristic space ship...it seems weird. Other than the occasional kilt, we're unused to seeing men wearing short skirts. It looked like those men on the Enterprise had forgotten to wear pants. Even had they been wearing shorts and a shirt...that would have looked less odd than a male miniskirt.
We tend to see things through our current day sensibilities and socially conditioned values, so a man in a skirt would look weird to us today, if not even downright "stupid" to some of us. But oddly enough, we generally tend to give guys in kilts a bit of a free pass because we more readily recognize and accept the ancient tradition behind them and we still see them as being manly--if worn for ceremonial purposes, that is.
Kilts are common everyday dress in Scotland.
As for the male skants, it was in the same mindset in which they switched the command color from gold to red ("Let's see how they like it for a change...").
Note that after the first season, skants for either sex were completely gone, never to be seen again until "All Good Things...".
As for the male skants, it was in the same mindset in which they switched the command color from gold to red ("Let's see how they like it for a change...").
Note that after the first season, skants for either sex were completely gone, never to be seen again until "All Good Things...".
Which part? Every time I've been to Edinburgh I've never seen anyone wearing one.
Regarding the title of the thread does "Uniform Code" not refer to the equality of military justice and law, as opposed to the clothes they are wearing as they go about their soldiering? This thread is running to several pages so maybe someone else has mentioned it before me.
Centuries ago, yeah. These days, it's reserved for ceremonies, special events, and for those few individuals observing the tradition. Definitely not common everyday dress anymore.
I don't think the skants even made it to the end of the first season, but that was also the case with Gene Roddenberry as TNG's actual showrunner.
Gene knew how to bring sexy back.
When I was in Belfast, Ireland, I saw three men on a corner waiting to cross the street. They were wearing kilts. I had to look away and think of anything but them, as I wanted to laugh aloud.
Men in skirts does not work for me.
Even if they have good legs.
Men in skirts does not work for me.
Even if they have good legs.
Sarongs are great for all-night drum/dances in summer where you don't want your boys to be too sweaty.
There, I think I manlified it.
As to the OP, like many people I think the pilot had some of the best uniforms in all Trek.
There, I think I manlified it.
As to the OP, like many people I think the pilot had some of the best uniforms in all Trek.
Never watch "Monarch of the Glen"? Get out of the city once in a while.
