It's harder to relate to characters when they skip 10-15 years halfway through a story (especually since we got big time skips at the start). It becomes a disjointed montage rather than a continuous story.
There is one major upside to assuming this happened years later:But you know there is no mention in the movie of when this ceremony was so it could easily have been five years later or right after the mission.
Pike remains in wheelchair. But he may have lost the ability to walk, at least for extended periods of time, for good - either due to Nero's torture, or then for some other reason that stems from the intervening years.
The cadets appalauding are the very same who were present when Spock grilled Kirk on the Kobayashi Maru incident. They wear the same uniforms, suggesting that their careers haven't advanced one iota. That IMHO is a more important concern than the atypical rank jumps of Kirk and Pike.
No, Kirk's promotion is right after he saves the world. The Enterprise's subsequent launch and Spock coming aboard make little sense otherwise.
It's harder to relate to characters when they skip 10-15 years halfway through a story (especually since we got big time skips at the start). It becomes a disjointed montage rather than a continuous story.
To be sure, Lieutenant Saavik was never addressed as Cadet in the movies. She appeared to be a fully commissioned officer, a postgraduate student of the command arts. Kirk in STXI is clearly an undergraduate and is addressed as Cadet right until the Vulcan crisis - until the moment Pike promotes him to first officer. Perhaps Kirk's commissioned rank of Lieutenant is handed to him on that moment, and Spock later enters it into the ship's records?(much like Saavik, a cadet LT herself)
Not to mention there's no such thing as post graduate studies in a military academy.
given that they were all soon to be graduating
They were all cadets using their "to be" titles due to special circumstances
Yeah, no. It doesn't work that way in military rank. A cadet can not hold a commissioned rank. Saavik was still in the uniform designated for cadets with cadet designation, upon graduation she would receive the proper uniform and rank. Just because they called her Lieutenant doesn't mean she was a commissioned Lieutenant.OTOH, there definitely are those in Starfleet Academy - after all, Saavik held all the identifiers of a graduate, including a commissioned rank, but was still attending the Academy and taking a test there.
Yeah, no again. McCoy was a cadet just like Kirk. He wore the same cadet uniform as Kirk and he participated in his Kobayashi Maru like every other cadet.That's not "given", though: there was no mention or suggestion that Uhura or McCoy would be graduating. For all we know, McCoy was an instructor at the time, with much better things to do than attend Kirk's third attempt at the no-win scenario, just like he says.
Why? McCoy is in his 30s by the time he enlists -- with a doctorates. Whatever training he recieved in Starfleet is just supplementary, as a doctor he is well certified and not fresh out of med school.McCoy as per his own words is a senior medical officer aboard the Enterprise when the balloon goes up - a bit unlikely for a raw graduate, and against Starfleet precedent where raw graduates in the medical profession have been shown holding ranks much lower than Lieutenant Commander.
Saavik was still in the uniform designated for cadets with cadet designation, upon graduation she would receive the proper uniform and rank. Just because they called her Lieutenant doesn't mean she was a commissioned Lieutenant.
He wore the same cadet uniform as Kirk and he participated in his Kobayashi Maru like every other cadet.
just because they call you Lieutenant and XO of your platoon/class doesn't mean you're an actual Lieutenant/XO.
Saavik was wearing the same uniform as everybody, with the same rank markings as any junior Lieutenant. Her collar just happened to be red - a detail the significance of which we do not know, but which apparently can be associated with graduated, commissioned Lieutenants in Starfleet. Plenty of commissioned officers wore that color in ST:TMP... And the color was again strangely applied in ST6. Bob Fletcher's original intent must be discounted here as it does not match what's seen on screen.
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Most of the people participating in a Kobayashi Maru simulation are "slumming" commissioned officers, as established in ST2:TWoK. McCoy was a commissioned officer in the simulation in one case, and could just as well have been one in this other case as well.
And again, we don't know the significance of the uniform colors. Plenty of people at SF Academy wore those, while others wore the dark grey. We might deduce that the grey folks were instructors, but that doesn't mean the red folks weren't.
How do you know this? There's no such thing as a "make believe rank". The ranks are legit because its a military organization training soon-to-be officers. They must establish a chain of command in order to instill the system in their heads. There's one at every military academy even at the civilian level with ROTC/JROTC. They are simply not comissioned. Big fucking difference.At the Academy, there's no suggestion of a "make-believe rank" order that would match the ranks our heroes are later quoted with. Kirk and Uhura both are considered Lieutenants (real or make-believe), yet Kirk gets to play pretend-captain in the simulation while Uhura takes the literal back seat. And we know Uhura is the senior of these two, even if only by a few weeks...
Also, unlike TNG, this movie gives no visual indication of make-believe rank for our heroes - already setting SF Academy well apart from the military academies of the real world.
Lieutenant Sulu and Ensign Chekov are new to Pike's ship but nobody suggests they got aboard by virtue of being Cadets.
Lieutenant Sulu and Ensign Chekov are new to Pike's ship but nobody suggests they got aboard by virtue of being Cadets.
I don't know. In the promotion scene we see Sulu in a cadet uniform...
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2859.jpg
And you can pick out the top of Chekov's head standing between McCoy and Sulu in this shot...
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2850.jpg
Right here is Chekov in a Cadet uniform...
http://movies.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/xihd/trekxihd2851.jpg
So I would have to say that Chekov and Sulu were suppose to be cadets as well.
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