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Dr Who-Comic Relief March 18th!! (spoilers!)

I think the point of the sketch was that it was meant to be a comedy piece and nothing more than that. For some reason there are those of us looking for more depth and meaning in something that wasn't going to have it in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a regular episode or anything even remotely resembling a regular episode. For someone to be disappointed about character development in a comedy segment is silly to me. Judge Rory's development in the actual series, not based on one comedic sketch.

Ah, but Moffat has already stated that it's not a throwaway. I'm trying to find the link where he discusses it, but remember Amy wanting to ask the Doctor a question. We never did find out what that question was ...

That said, I agree it was not intended to be a full-fledged story, just the TV equivalent of one of those short stories you might read in an annual. And they could have done something completely out-of-canon, but instead they gave us something to go along with Time Crash and the Christmas Invasion prequel. And personally I think the characterizations were spot on and the story actually quite deep for a mini-episode. I thought it got a lot done in 8 minutes and it felt longer (not in a bad way).

Alex
 
I think the point of the sketch was that it was meant to be a comedy piece and nothing more than that. For some reason there are those of us looking for more depth and meaning in something that wasn't going to have it in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a regular episode or anything even remotely resembling a regular episode. For someone to be disappointed about character development in a comedy segment is silly to me. Judge Rory's development in the actual series, not based on one comedic sketch.

Admiral, I never said I expected character development for Rory from this sketch, did I? I said the realization that he won't be developed any further has me disappointed. `Won't' ... not `wasn't.' Stop putting words into my mou-- er, putting words into my keyboard ... letters ... ? Nevermind, just stop doing that ... thing you did.
 
I think the point of the sketch was that it was meant to be a comedy piece and nothing more than that. For some reason there are those of us looking for more depth and meaning in something that wasn't going to have it in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a regular episode or anything even remotely resembling a regular episode. For someone to be disappointed about character development in a comedy segment is silly to me. Judge Rory's development in the actual series, not based on one comedic sketch.

Admiral, I never said I expected character development for Rory from this sketch, did I? I said the realization that he won't be developed any further has me disappointed. `Won't' ... not `wasn't.' Stop putting words into my mou-- er, putting words into my keyboard ... letters ... ? Nevermind, just stop doing that ... thing you did.
Psion, if the sketch implied to you that Rory won't develop further, how did it do that, if you had no expectation of character development for him in the Sketch :confused:
 
Yup. Moffat admitted in this interview he gave to his son that he used to follow the internet chatter in the past, but not since he became showrunner as he has to cater to the masses and not just dedicated Whovians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zs1mIAMTE0c

He used to be a patron on the old Outpost Gallifrey, yes, before he got the top job. His Production Notes Column in this month's DWM mentions it. Here are some of his posts;

Steven Moffat on:

*Russell T Davies as a Showrunner*: “I can't imagine anyone doing a better job than Russell on this show, he's been extraordinary. He's changed television. Suddenly everything is fun and mad! A lot of British drama is worthy and important and feels like a light scolding from an opinionated drunk in the rain. With Russell's stuff, even when it's edgy and bristling with difficult ideas, you feel invited in, you feel engaged. People want to say he's raised the bar, but that's a very un-Russell idea - far too stern and macho and dull. It's more like he's fitted a sunroof. Yeah, that's it, he's taken British drama and fitted a sunroof. I think he'd like that.”

“Oh, you chaps will take any excuse to jump on the mighty Welshman's head, won't you? Well not on my watch!…You know, there may be many things you could say about Russell and the Doctor Who production team (of whom I'm not one, so this is neither conceit nor defensiveness) but to call them careless or sloppy is so completely unfair and untrue I can't stop myself wasting my time telling you that.”

“Russell doesn't hover around throwing in gay bits. Russell hovers around asking for more explosions and death. How little you understand the man!”

“And that was lovely, what Russell said about me, but I don't buy - not for one second - that he restrains himself when he's writing! And nor do any of the weeping Welsh people who have to find a way to film his scripts.”

*Russell T Davies as a Writer*:
[On ‘Last of the Time Lords’] “Bloody loved it. Cheeky, audacious, mental. Does stuff only Doctor Who can do. And Doctor Who should never waste time doing anything else.”

[On ‘Smith and Jones’] Anyone who's interested in writing should study that script - it's one of the most technically brilliant scripts you'll ever get your hands on. The construction of it is dazzling, and yet - and this is the REALLY dazzling part - it's designed to feel light and airy and simple. And for that dim-witted reason, people think it IS simple. It's not, it's incredible. Look, what's folded away in all that gorgeous froth. A new main character, whole and complete - an old friend within minutes. Her entire background and family, all there for us, perfectly clear. And while all that’s going on, AT THE SAME TIME, a hospital gets stolen and taken to the (bloody) moon. All this in under ten minutes! And never mind all that, the entire format of the entire show is explained and sold to a brand new audience. Stunning. But - and this what makes your blood boil - because it's made to LOOK easy, idiots and critics think it IS easy. Try it! Go on, get yer pen, TRY it. Thing is, I get a lot of praise for the complexity of Blink, and quite bloody right too. But because I know what I'm talking about, I can tell you as a matter of FACT, that Smith And Jones is WAY more complex. But because Blink wears its complexity on its sleeve, cos that was kind of the point, Smith And Jones conceals it, cos it's a means to an end. Really and truly, Smith And Jones, go study. And if you don't think it's brilliant, shut up until you understand that it is.”
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[On ‘Smith and Jones’]Smith & Jones, yes. It's eye-popping, insanely fast, and it does the whole format. And the last scene is the best ever Bigger On The Inside moment.”

[On ‘New Earth’] “Also the subtly set-up "it was the last time anyone told me I was beautiful" idea, resolving into it being Cassandra herself, in the form of Chip, who pays herself the compliment, is a sublimely clever final moment for a narcissist.”

[On ‘The Christmas Invasion’]The Christmas Invasion is bloody brilliant. I've watched it three times. I dance along to it. And trust me, I'm Steven Moffat's number one fan.”
 
And more. Some of these are from other sources.

*How He Compares to Russell T Davies, With Regard to Romance, Comedy, Gay References, 'Soap' etc.*:
“It makes no sense, especially when you look at what I was praised for by these vocal fans. They'd say "It will be great when Moffat takes over because then there won't be so much romance, there won't be all that soapy stuff, there won't be all this comedy, and there won't be overuse of the sonic screwdriver". But I do all those things, even more than Russell does! And I've got the record for gay jokes. I've got the gayest joke of all time in Doctor Who - I've got the "beard" joke about the Master. So, I mean, f*** off. I'm worse than he is for most of that!” (Deathray, Issue 15 September 2008)

*Those Who Don’t Believe Him When He Praises Davies*:
“Russell's not the boss of me. My WIFE's the boss of me.Oh for goodness sake! Don't want to, like, boast or nuffink, but I've got a fairly decent career going on here. Don't actually NEED to go sucking up, you know.”

“Every opinion I've expressed about Russell is one I honestly hold - and since they're hardly untypical opinions, from an industry which regularly celebrates his talents, and since I have no financial or professional need to say other than I feel, why do you need to go any lengths to account for them?”

*[Fan Reaction on] Becoming the New Showrunner*:
“The fans might be big supporters now, but watch that change! Like I say, I've given myself a deadline for when I divorce myself from fandom completely, but already I've noticed changes: it's been like seeing a big ship turn. It's not in-your-face, but fan opinion is definitely shifting.”

*His Own Writing*:
“I remember I spent about two weeks at the start on about two pages. Couldn't type the words Doctor and TARDIS without having an existential moment!”

“I think self-consciousness cleverness is a perfectly fair accusation to level at me - I'm aware of it as a failing, but I can't seem to fix it. I'm always worried I'm not being interesting enough and it leads me astray - before you know it, the whole thing is in split-screen! And boring! I'm not being cynical, though. I'm honestly never that. Rubbish frequently, but not cynical.”

[On ‘The Impossible Planet’] “Oi! I make plenty of science mistakes too, you know!”

[On ‘The Girl in the Fireplace’] “In point of fact, I always thought of it as a love story, and the 'mind meld' scene (we all called it mental sex) was put in in the second draft, which hardly makes it a late addition. Actually it was one of the first ideas I had, but I couldn't find a place for it first time round. Still quite surprised how well it's gone down as an episode. I thought I'd get lynched, but this is good too.”

*David Tennant*:
“I'd have cast David. First time I saw him in ‘Blackpool’ I thought he'd be amazing as the Doctor.”

*Matt Smith*:
[From ‘Doctor Who Confidential: The Eleventh Doctor’] “There's a lot of contradictions I think, in the part of the Doctor; he is very, very old, but he looks young. He behaves very childishly, but he also behaves in a very sort of magisterial way. I think you need somebody who is old and young at the same time. That means if you cast someone in their fifties, that's fine, but they've got to have something very, very youthful about them, like Jon Pertwee did. Although he was an older man, there was something quite young about him.We've cast a young man, a twenty-six year old. One thing [laughs] I was very emphatic about, and I remember being quite sort of brutal and argumentative in a meeting at the Beeb about this, and saying 'There are too many young people on this list,' I said, 'I'm not really convinced there's all that many people that young who can play this part; I think we're looking for somebody in their forties, late thirties, you know. David is a unique case, he could play it at that age but, no, he should be an older man'. Of course, I've just ended up casting a twenty-six year old in the part!”

[From ‘Doctor Who Magazine: 405] “It's the first day of the auditions, we've only been at it an hour - and sitting in front of us, fully formed and unmistakeable, is the Eleventh Doctor. I'm watching the tape of the audition right now, I can hear myself laughing at my own jokes - I usually only do that when I'm talking. Every detail is absolutely right - boffin and action hero, schoolboy and professor, hot young guy and ancient wizard. He's like Patrick Moore trapped in the body of an underwear model. It'll be two weeks before I admit it to myself, but really I know it already. We all know it. This man is the Doctor. Piers and I go straight for a drink and try to stop shaking. It's not supposed to happen - not the first day.In 2010 you are going to love Matt Smith.”

*On Davison & Time Crash*:
“He's magnificent, by the way, just magnificent. And yes there's a quick hand-wave explanation for the age thing - but really, when you see him in action, you almost don't need it. He's just the Doctor and you don't argue.My two favourite Doctors head to head in a scene by me. Sometimes I think the universe is being run entirely for my entertainment.”
 
I think the point of the sketch was that it was meant to be a comedy piece and nothing more than that. For some reason there are those of us looking for more depth and meaning in something that wasn't going to have it in the first place. It wasn't meant to be a regular episode or anything even remotely resembling a regular episode. For someone to be disappointed about character development in a comedy segment is silly to me. Judge Rory's development in the actual series, not based on one comedic sketch.

Admiral, I never said I expected character development for Rory from this sketch, did I? I said the realization that he won't be developed any further has me disappointed. `Won't' ... not `wasn't.' Stop putting words into my mou-- er, putting words into my keyboard ... letters ... ? Nevermind, just stop doing that ... thing you did.
Psion, if the sketch implied to you that Rory won't develop further, how did it do that, if you had no expectation of character development for him in the Sketch :confused:

Ah ... the sketch didn't imply that he won't develop further so much as "A Christmas Carol" did. Of course, both the sketch and "A Christmas Carol" continue to imply that the only change to have come over Rory is that he now wears Centurion armor for sexual roleplay, and he's otherwise still just bumbling comic relief. I'm coming to realize that my expectations for Rory's character throughout series six are probably far too optimistic.

I'd like to see at least a scene where he, for example, sits down with the Doctor and confides that he's having trouble coming to terms with his memory of centuries guarding Amy. Or demonstrations of incredible patience or unexpected wisdom. Neither the skit nor the Christmas special had enough time to delve into those issues that a character like Rory must be having trouble with, but the fact that he seems so unchanged hints that series six won't go any deeper, either. Maybe he's just hiding it for now; pretending to be the same for Amy's benefit. Maybe that bit with Rory helping the Doctor fly the TARDIS shows the Doctor knows something bothers Rory and he's working on getting him to talk about it. That'd be fantastic! But I doubt they'll explore it at all.

And more. Some of these are from other sources.

[From ‘Doctor Who Magazine: 405] “It's the first day of the auditions, we've only been at it an hour - and sitting in front of us, fully formed and unmistakeable, is the Eleventh Doctor. I'm watching the tape of the audition right now, I can hear myself laughing at my own jokes - I usually only do that when I'm talking. Every detail is absolutely right - boffin and action hero, schoolboy and professor, hot young guy and ancient wizard. He's like Patrick Moore trapped in the body of an underwear model. It'll be two weeks before I admit it to myself, but really I know it already. We all know it. This man is the Doctor. Piers and I go straight for a drink and try to stop shaking. It's not supposed to happen - not the first day.In 2010 you are going to love Matt Smith.”

I loved this when I first read it and thought about it every time I saw Smith in an interview before series five started. Smith oozes a viscous, but intangible fluid that smells exactly like what I'd expect the Doctor to smell like. That wobbly swagger, that daft energy, that not-quite handsome mug of his that makes him look alien in television's landscape of perfect faces. He's rapidly become my favorite Doctor and I sure hope he sticks around for a few decades. Strike that, keep him forever.

Until someone better comes along.
 
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More;

*Fandom*:
[From 'Deathray Magazine: 15'] “Actually, that's not fair. Most fans are delighted with just about all of Doctor Who: really, they are. But mixed in with that are some insanely vocal ones who go on about how they hated it every single week. Which raises the question, "Why are you f***ing watching it then?" Many of those guys used to support my episodes, but they already think I'll f*** it up completely now.”

“Um, but it's easy for me. Most of the time, I'm just a fan and most of my writing is on other shows (God help them.) Now and then, I have a go of Doctor Who - which is rather good fun, for an old fan like me - but it's not my whole life. Russell is a fan too - but he has to make a version of Doctor Who that is LOVED by the Not We. So he distances himself from the fan perspective. Completely necessary and sensible. I would do the same.”

*Being a Fan*:
[On ‘Blink’] “Where does this nonsense come from? How much more public a tragic-geek-fan could I be? I hate football, the rest of sport, cars, and almost all proper man-stuff. I can list all the Doctor Who stories in order. I've got Picked Last For Games written all over me (they held me down and got a felt tip.) I'm a member of this forum, posting under my own name. I've stood on the bloody Newsnight set, with David Tennant, on television, and humiliated myself with a depth of enthusiasm bordering on Speaking In Tongues. I write stories where tragic geeks get hot women. Over and over again. Till I start crying.And I put in the Windows gag SPECIFICALLY to make this forum laugh. It was for us lot here - the rest of the world didn't notice. How's that hating fans? And if I'm DENYING being a fan, wouldn't you say I'm doing a fairly iffy job of it?”

“No, you're not understanding me. I'm a proper, paid up, head-full-of-lists fan. Lots of my friends are fans too, I go to the fan gathering every month in the Fitzroy ... I think we're all lovely, and don't need to be kept in basements. Well, except him. And him. And those two. And her. (Is that a her?)But when I write the show I put my professional telly head on and try to address the occasional viewer. ‘Cause that's the vast majority of the audience. Getting lost in the fan perspective, can be a problem - and such an easy trap for me! As far as feedback goes, I prefer it from the playground or the pub.”

*Who Doctor Who is For*:
“I agree with absolutely everything you say - but that very first bit about "the children's own program that adults adore" that was a critic's quote on the back of the Doctor Who books. And to be honest, I'm not sure Doctor Who's particular place in the world as ever been summed up better. Especially "own program" - children do seem to feel a real ownership of this show; that it's somehow theirs and adults are only allowed in if they promise to behave. My little boy gets hugely indignant if he catches me watching Doctor Who without him - never mind I'm making notes on an edit, he's furious. ‘Cause it's HIS program and if it's being watched in HIS house, then he better be in the damn room. Can't find it in my heart to argue.”

“If you like and enjoy Doctor Who, then Doctor Who is aimed squarely at YOU. Absolutely at YOU. Lovely, wonderful, great-taste-in-telly YOU. And what do YOU (and we love YOU) care about who else its aimed at? Really, in a way, this whole discussion - about who Who is aimed - isn't FOR you lot. You lot ARE the audience, what could possibly interest YOU (and everyone in Wales sends their love to YOU) in any of this? It's a discussion for people making the show. It's about a tone and taste - Doctor Who (whatever the composition of the audience) is absolutely a childrens show in terms of its strictures, limits and imperatives. All the talk at meetings is about what the eight-year-olds will think. Cos igniting the imaginations of eight-year-olds is pretty much - no, is EXACTLY - the mission statement. A side benefit, of course, is that adults are in fact eight-year-olds with increased body-mass and frowning. So of course, THEY'LL watch! Of course they will. Get it right for the eight-year-olds and the adults will follow - nothing is more certain.It's like - no really, it is - when you go into a restaurant, and you're looking at the menu, and you're being all adult, and you're thinking, ooh, maybe lettuce soup, or a carrot rissotto, or perhaps just a glass of water and slap from the Maitre D ... and your eye drifts (oh, how it drifts) to the children's menu!Sausage and mash! Burger and fries!!! Actual size chocolate pigs!!! Doctor Who is the children's menu. Like you're ever gonna grow out of that. PS. There will be people who argue the children's menu is actually the adults’ menu. Let them. They're not going to be around for long.”

“All the above being explicitly forbidden in Doctor Who because it's a children's programme. At least practically everyone who makes (or who ever has made it) thinks it is, and practically everyone who watches it (or who ever has watched it) thinks it is, and I kind of think that's good enough. That's the jury coming back in, that is.”

“Calling Doctor Who a children's show isn't a definition of the audience, it's a definition of the SHOW. In style, pace, tone, sensibility, Doctor Who stories are children's stories. Like Harry Potter, Star Wars, The Hobbit, Narnia, Toy Story, The Incredibles and all gorgeous, magical stuff. Does that mean it's not for adults? Don't be daft, adults love children's stories - just look at that list. Some of the most famous creations in the human history! People who grow out of children's stories are people who never understood them in the first place. Grown-ups are not excluded from this party. Grown-ups are specifically targeted and invited. There are generally at least two grown-ups per family, and we want the whole of that family round that telly. And we want each of them secretly thinking this programme is really for THEM.” The children's own programme that adults adore. Never been said better. That's what it is. That's what it says on the tin.”

*The Current (RTD) Era*:
“And yes, it's true - Doctor Who has never the critical respectability it has now, or even close. It probably helps that the show is absolutely bloody marvellous now but I'm not really allowed to say that, ‘cause people will hit me and lecture me about Jon Pertwee, or something.”
 
And more;
*Previous Eras*:
“Oh God, before everyone starts, I LOVE Jon Pertwee, and I'm watching Planet Of Evil right now and LOVING it, and I want Robert Holmes brought back to life just so I can tell him he's a genius, ‘cause I don't think he knew.”

[On 'Rise of the Cybermen'] ”If that episode had shown up in the 80s (or the 70s, or the 60s) we'd all have fainted of joy on the spot! Whump! All of us! Every fan in the country - gurgle, whump, living room floor. Medical experts would've been flown in from all around the world! "My God," they'd have cried, "every geek in Britain is unconscious!! Quick, let's pull their pants over their heads and draw moustaches on them!" The Elder Statesmen of Fandom, in their vast and mighty Council Chamber (in Mum's bedroom), would actually have EXPLODED!! Into CLOUDS OF VAPOUR!!! Every breath taken in the whole wide world wide would have contained a measurable quantity of IAN LEVINE!!And here you are, you lot, and you don't even know you're born. Some of us had to go to school the Monday after the Giant Rat!! No, REALLY! Think about that! Added ten years to my virginity, that did, Giant Rat Monday! Oh, I haven't forgotten!”

City Of Death is one of my favourite stories, probably my favourite Who script and Douglas Adams is one of my favourite authors.”

City Of Death has one of the tightest plots in Doctor Who… Douglas Adams is clearly and obviously the best writer ever to have written Doctor Who, and will probably remain so.”

“I'm sure no one is losing a lot of sleep over what I think about 80's Doctor Who, but here, to cut out and keep, is My Opinion. Rather liked season 18, though found it a bit dry and uninvolving, and thought Tom was a bit off. Adored the next three seasons, and thought (and think) Davison was superb. Colin Baker's two seasons, and Sylvester's first - well, I'm afraid I found very little to enjoy there, though honestly I tried! Colin is a good actor, and been good in many things, but I didn't think he landed the role of the Doctor. On telly, anyway - been good on audio. And no, the costume and the scripts weren't helping. Really enjoyed the last two seasons of Doctor Who - some plunges from grace, but some cracking stuff too. You'll never quite convince me that Sylvester is an appropriate choice for a BBC1 leading man, but clever people like Paul Cornell think otherwise so what do I know? Preferred him to Colin and (ooh, the heresy!) William Hartnell, so that's got to count for something.So there you go! Out of all the eighties, I only disliked THREE seasons.”

*On the Doctor's Age*:
“In my head, the Doctor doesn't have a bloody clue what age he is (how could he, unless he's keeping count on a big chart somewhere) and only picks on 900 ‘cause it sounds good.”

*On the Doctor's name*:
“We must never know the Doctor's name, what happened to his wife and family, and the real reason he left Gallifrey. These are secrets too tremendous for the mortal mind. And he's only allowed to tell hot French chicks.”

*Sex and Sexuality in Doctor Who*:
[On ‘The Doctor Dances’] “I say, no I didn't! The whole scene was about the fact they WEREN'T at it - indeed, it was the Doctor being slightly hurt that Rose hadn't even considered him in that light.There's precious little evidence they ever got up to anything, I'd have said - that it doesn't stop it being a love story, of course (it clearly was) but unrequited surely? Oh, it's all sex with you lot, isn't it? And when the writer of Coupling says you're banging on about sex too much, it's time to start listening.”

“Surely the point about Jack is that he is so totally relaxed about sex that it isn't part of his character at all - no hang ups, no problem. Writing Jack I found I had to have the other characters (the Doctor and Rose) talk about his epically flexible sexuality, rather than him – ‘cause for him it's background noise. All he'd do is shrug and ask what the big deal is.”

“For Captain Jack, bisexual would be a strict diet. There's a whole universe out there. 82 percent of the developing life forms in this galaxy alone have recently been proven to have Captain Jack's phone number. Hooray for Captain Jack. But don't leave him alone with your sister. Or a nice shrub.”

[On the Doctor/Jack kiss in ‘The Parting of the Ways’] “I'd have written girls kissing.”

“This isn't exactly a defence, but I was doing jokes as rude as any of these in Press Gang 15 years ago, at 4:45 in the afternoon. The world is still here and turning. Back in my Press Gang days my defence was always this: sex will always be an exciting mystery to children, they'll always want to to know about it. And they'll learn about it, inevitably, from scary porn and all those barmy urban myths that circulate playgrounds. As a counter to that, shouldn't responisble kids telly at least try to right the balance? Shouldn't there be someone out there (apart from your boring parents and your boring teachers, who cares what they say) saying that sex is a natural, sometimes funny, sometimes wonderful thing, that decent, kind, nice people do with other decent, kind, nice people. Rather than a sleazy forbidden horror whispered about behind the bike shed. You CAN'T stop kids finding out about sex. You CAN at least make sure some of what they hear is sane and reasonable. And as for alternative sexuality in Doctor Who - oh for goodness sake! There are kids watching out there, who already know they're gay. (I knew which sex I fancied from a very early age.) Doesn't it do them good to have a hero like a Captain Jack, who laughs in the face of straight and gay alike? Captain Jack: he'll save your planet and shag anyone who lives there (but check your purse before he leaves.)”

*On "Doctor Who" vs "The Doctor"*:
“My point only: it is beyond dispute that we know who we mean by saying 'Doctor Who' - the fact that the Doctor himself would wonder who you were talking to is beside the point.It is perfectly correct to the refer to the character as Doctor Who, even though that is NOT his name, nor the name that he, or anyone else, uses. He also doesn't call himself 'television's favourite Time Lord" either but I feel entitled to call him that too.This is all about defintions. "Doctor Who" IS NOT his name - if, by name, you mean what he calls himself and what others call him. "Doctor Who" IS his name, if by name you mean what people in general call this popular fictional character. English being lovely, vague and elastic allows both uses of the word 'name'. See? Sorted. Everybody's right. Dear God, I must be anxious not to start work this morning.”

*On Time Travel stories*:
“There are three ways of dealing with time travel in Doctor Who (you might want to print this out for future use);
1. Look, it's just a story, time travel is completely impossible, the whole thing's a farrago of lies, ooh, look at those monsters.
2. Time can only sometimes be rewritten, and the Doctor has a vast and terrible Time Brain that allows him to see when events can be altered and when they are fixed, but for us mere mortals, such insight would turn our brains to soup, ooh, look at those monsters.
3. Ooh, look at those monsters! I like 3. It's quicker.”

*On Continuity*:
“In the end, a television series which embraces both the ideas of parallel universes and the concept of changing time can't *have* a continuity error. It's impossible.”

*On Horses*:
”You don't ever want to be found in a field shouting 'Fellatio' at a horse. Trust me.”
 
[runs to avoid the avalanche]

Cripes, Iamnotspock! How much of this is relevant to "Time" and "Space"? :lol:
 
I finally was able to watch the skits and I absolutely loved it. Sexual innuendos, time paradoxes and all. :lol:
 
[runs to avoid the avalanche]

Cripes, Iamnotspock! How much of this is relevant to "Time" and "Space"? :lol:

Sorry! Maybe should've started a new thread. It seemed relevant to the comment I responded to but I got a bit carried away in posting the whole lot!
 
Awww, are we allowed to examine and discuss it like a real episode if we liked it? Even if its a bit of fluff it still counts as DW to me.

Personally I don't blame Moff for bailing out of GB. If I had to deal with that hive of bitchy schoolgirls on a regular basis I'd be tempted to fuck with the show just to watch their heads explode.
 
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Interesting quotes from Moffat...not sure I buy the "I'm completely independant and not one of the production team" given that he was writing episodes from the off mind you...
 
Interesting quotes from Moffat...not sure I buy the "I'm completely independant and not one of the production team" given that he was writing episodes from the off mind you...

He was a freelancer, though, not a staffer.
 
^ Yep. I believe Moffat even states this in one of the Doctor Who commentary tracks...it might've been in his first episode that he wrote "The Doctor Dances" but can't remember.

I should clarify about my comments regarding the relief specials that i made last night regarding over-analyzing them. Of course we can discuss them, and have been. I just think that it is silly to get any sort of dept from them. I also never meant to claim that "Time" and "Space" didn't "count" as any sort of episode. Just that they were kind of meant to be one off's or self contained. Like a one-shot comic special or something.
 
Interesting quotes from Moffat...not sure I buy the "I'm completely independant and not one of the production team" given that he was writing episodes from the off mind you...

He was a freelancer, though, not a staffer.

er so he's not completely independant then is he? I mean not if he wants to keep getting the chance to write Dr Who? He might not be on the official payroll, but clearly he wasn't independant...
 
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