Full Circle

[BillJ]

The universe isn’t what it used to be. With the new Alliance between the Triad and the United Coalition, Captain Tasha “Sass” Sebastian finds herself serving under her former nemesis, biocybe Admiral Branden Kel-Paten–and doing her best to hide a deadly past. But when an injured mercenary winds up in their ship’s sick bay–and in the hands of her best friend, Dr. Eden Fynn–Sass’s efforts may be wasted.

Wanted rebel Jace Serafino has information that could expose all of Sass’s secrets, tear the fragile Alliance apart–and end Sass’s career if Kel-Paten discovers them. But the biocybe has something to hide as well, something once thought impossible for his kind to possess: feelings . . . for Sass. Soon it’s clear that their prisoner could bring down everything they once believed was worth dying for–and everything they now have to live for.

There is no way for you to not have an opinion, either you would want to read it or you wouldn't, and you don't have to read one page to have that opinion and it is perfectly legitimate.

There is always enough information on the internet, and on book jackets to form a valid opinion about a book, and you can form it before you purchase it. Your argument that we have to read "Full Circle" first before forming an opinion is faulty.

Brit

1. It's called 'an uneducated opinion'.

2. Like how you stacked the deck here to make your argument. You make no mention of cover art or flipping through the book and sampling a few pages in order to gauge if you like the writers' style. Also, you failed to mention whether or not its' part of a seven hundred plus episode TV franchise.

I saw a thirty second clip of that film... no way I'd ever be interested in it.

3. From what I've been able to gather... Full Circle and Unworthy sold very well.

 

[Kathryn J.]

Out of somewhat morbid curiosity, how would you want Janeway to be brought back? ie What would be the circumstances of her return?

If there are still any doubts about how to get KJ back:
Here is a sack filled with ideas!
I have just counted 15 different ones, are these enough for y' all?

http://www.newearth-jcparadise.de/janeway_lives.php/

BillJ.: 2. Like how you stacked the deck here to make your argument. You make no mention of cover art or flipping through the book and sampling a few pages in order to gauge if you like the writers' style. Also, you failed to mention whether or not its' part of a seven hundred plus episode TV franchise.

I wonder what MOVIE you have seen... Brit is talking about a BOOK! You should follow the link she had posted and btw, it is a great novel. Hey, there are really books without TV franchise out there!

BillJ.: 3. From what I've been able to gather... Full Circle and Unworthy sold very well.

From what I've been able to gather... Pocket Books don't make their individual book sales figures public.
So you can't be able to gather more than we can. Yet I do know that a lot of fans didn't and won't order these VOY books about the death of KJ or even completely without KJ, respectively. So I don't need to gather a lot of information to simply see that Pocket Books is losing buyers of their books. And Unworthy got bought less than FC by the fans.
Especially outside the English native speaker territory there the people think thoroughly about what book is really worth to order and to read - a hard work in a foreign language. I wouldn't work hard without any reward. Would you???

 

[JB2005]

^ Well I read one of them...and after reading it i've come to two very important conclusions.

1) Janeway should stay dead
2) The person whose story I wrote...to be polite it was ill-conceived at worst it was something far more heinous

 

[Kathryn J.]

^ Well I read one of them...and after reading it i've come to two very important conclusions.

1) Janeway should stay dead
2) The person whose story I wrote...to be polite it was ill-conceived at worst it was something far more heinous

1) This isn't a new conclusion of yours, because it was your opinion all the time before.

2) I know, my friend, some people don't understand deeper reaching stories. They need something really simple to read. I kind of feel sorry for them.
Maybe the next time I'll have some better links especially for guys like you.

I've stated enough what I wanted to, so bye for now. You can yell after me as much as you want to.

 

[Galekarens]

Kathryn J. you know there are many, many KJ supporters that agree with you, the others are just being negative, thank you (and other KJ fans) for your positive efforts for our captain, and "Voy" books are not really Voyager without her, KJ lives!

 

[BillJ]

I wonder what MOVIE you have seen... Brit is talking about a BOOK! You should follow the link she had posted and btw, it is a great novel. Hey, there are really books without TV franchise out there!

My point about the filmed material was that Star Trek existed well before Kathryn Janeway came along and it continues to exist, unfortunately I guess for you folks, after the character is gone.

From what I've been able to gather... Pocket Books don't make their individual book sales figures public.
So you can't be able to gather more than we can. Yet I do know that a lot of fans didn't and won't order these VOY books about the death of KJ or even completely without KJ, respectively. So I don't need to gather a lot of information to simply see that Pocket Books is losing buyers of their books. And Unworthy got bought less than FC by the fans.
Especially outside the English native speaker territory there the people think thoroughly about what book is really worth to order and to read - a hard work in a foreign language. I wouldn't work hard without any reward. Would you???

All I have to do is talk to bookstore retailers and also take a look at the fact that Children of the Storm will be making its' debut later in the year, also written by Kirsten Beyer. Publishers tend to not continue following storylines and employing authors that don't sell books.

And the ''Militant Janeway' fans shot themselves in the foot by admitting, on the TrekLit board, that many of them weren't buying Voyager novels to begin with... even though the books up to that point did have Janeway in them.

Plus Pocket Books, if this particular bulletin board is any indication, picked up quite a few readers with Voyager's new direction

 

[Jeri]

...Children of the Storm will be making its' debut later in the year, also written by Kirsten Beyer...

Thanks for the tip; I pre-ordered it from Amazon.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

And the ''Militant Janeway' fans shot themselves in the foot by admitting, on the TrekLit board, that many of them weren't buying Voyager novels to begin with... even though the books up to that point did have Janeway in them.

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

Teacake said she'll buy them, just second-hand off of eBay.

And Janeway's still not technically "dead" she's just in the Q Continuum. She could come back, if Kristen Beyer/Pocket Books decides to bring her back.

 

[BillJ]

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

See... this is what I call an informed opinion, even if you weren't going to buy them regularly due to Janeway's absence. You at least tried it.

I'm not sure Pocket really has any plans to bring the character back. The "Q" backdoor, if I understand correctly, was forced on them by Paramount.

 

[Galekarens]

I don't have to buy the "Voy" books (am certainly not going to give Pocket Books my money directly and support the wrong they keep perpetrating) to know that I don't like that Kathryn Janeway is not in them. My opinion is well informed, thank you. And thank goodness KJ being w/ the Q was forced on those editors. That means Paramount considered KJ a character that didn't deserve to just be disposed of, and she could be brought back easily. BTW, I read the last "Voy" book; it was not the same without her. Not interested in any further books unless she's back, had bought many before. Admiral Janeway should still be in Trek lit, and many, many fans agree. Her supporters are a positive force that are making a difference. KJ Lives!

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I don't have to buy the "Voy" books (am certainly not going to give Pocket Books my money directly and support the wrong they keep perpetrating) to know that I don't like that Kathryn Janeway is not in them. My opinion is well informed, thank you. And thank goodness KJ being w/ the Q was forced on those editors. That means Paramount considered KJ a character that didn't deserve to just be disposed of, and she could be brought back easily. BTW, I read the last "Voy" book; it was not the same without her. Not interested in any further books unless she's back, had bought many before. Admiral Janeway should still be in Trek lit, and many, many fans agree. Her supporters are a positive force that are making a difference. KJ Lives!

Agreed.

Plus the J/Cer in me is still kicking and screaming that they got together and then he of course had to go away and then right before he came back she died!

But that's only if you ask her

 

[BillJ]

That means Paramount considered KJ a character that didn't deserve to just be disposed of...

If that was the case Paramount would've rejected the idea wholesale... like they have so many other ideas. They forced Pocket to cancel four Abramsverse novels that were already written.

I'll be honest, I find Chuckles and the gang far more tolerable minus Captain Janeway. The added bonus is that Afsarah Eden comes across as far less of a schizophrenic character than Janeway. YMMV.

 

[AuntKate]

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

See... this is what I call an informed opinion, even if you weren't going to buy them regularly due to Janeway's absence. You at least tried it.

I'm not sure Pocket really has any plans to bring the character back. The "Q" backdoor, if I understand correctly, was forced on them by Paramount.

I haven't and won't pay for the books until Janeway returns. I have gotten both novels through a book swap location and have delved into them a bit. I found them less than interesting. I don't want to have learn about a whole host of new characters who are basically replacements of the ones I want to read about.

No one knows how well either book sold. I'd be willing to bet my back teeth that Full Circle sold better than Unworthy, and I'd speculate that the main reason it sold better is that Janeway is in Full Circle and not Unworthy.

The publishers should be thanking their lucky starts that they were forced to use the Q to let Janeway escape. They want to sell books, and Janeway sells books. Janeway is the main character of Voyager--you can't escape that fact.

 

[BillJ]

They want to sell books, and Janeway sells books...

I'm absolutely certain that if Pocket Books market research showed that Janeway sold books she'd still be there. Try again?

I'll repeat myself here... it's Star Trek: Voyager not Star Trek: Janeway.

 

[AuntKate]

They want to sell books, and Janeway sells books...

I'm absolutely certain that if Pocket Books market research showed that Janeway sold books she'd still be there. Try again?

I'll repeat myself here... it's Star Trek: Voyager not Star Trek: Janeway.

I'll repeat my answer. To call a book Voyager without using Voyager's characters is misleading, at best, and an insult, at worst.

When asked directly here whether Janeway returns in the next novel, the author declined to answer. Interesting, no? Perhaps their market research shows that Janeway is a plus to the Voyager series (I know she has seldom failed to come in as either first or second on any character popularity poll I've every seen).

TOS needs Kirk, even though it isn't Star Trek Kirk. We have many books with him in it, even after his death in Generations. ENT needs Trip, DS9 needs Sisko, and (surprise!) they are both back, alive and well, in the novels. This is a change to the real canon, btw. So why are people so adamant about not returning Janeway to Voyager? Because it wouldn't be "realistic"? Give me a break. Voyager fans want to read about Janeway, and Tuvok, too.

The point is that if you have to replace these characters with others that have no connection to the fanbase, why do it? Beyer seems to be able to write Janeway as the complex and dynamic captain she was on the program, so let her get on with it.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

See... this is what I call an informed opinion, even if you weren't going to buy them regularly due to Janeway's absence. You at least tried it.

You don't need to read the books to know you don't want to read them. People saying they won't read them because Janeway isn't in them are not saying "I won't read that book because it is badly written." You seem to think that people's opinions are not informed, that would be true if they refused to read a book because it was badly written when they hadn't read any of it. They are just refusing to read a book because it's not ABOUT what they want to read.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

You don't like Chakotay? Asfarah Eden was in command of Voyager for exactly one novel, and will likely be only a supporting/tertiary character going forward.

Those of you who are clamoring for Janeway's return are making the assumption that if the editors at Pocket were to give you what you want, she'd be returned to her original role of being intimately involved with Voyager and its crew, and I personally can find nothing that would warrant such an assumption. As I previously pointed out, Janeway was a supporting/tertiary character in all but two of the post-"Endgame" novels in which she appeared, and I really don't see this being changed even if the editors were to decide to resurrect her.

 

[Brit]

Those of you who are clamoring for Janeway's return are making the assumption that if the editors at Pocket were to give you what you want, she'd be returned to her original role of being intimately involved with Voyager and its crew, and I personally can find nothing that would warrant such an assumption. As I previously pointed out, Janeway was a supporting/tertiary character in all but two of the post-"Endgame" novels in which she appeared, and I really don't see this being changed even if the editors were to decide to resurrect her.

Well you just made our point again, those books would have sold better to us if they had included more Janeway. We are saying first bring her back and then second write meaningful character driven stories about her and I can tell you people will buy those books and in much larger amounts than these pale imitation Voyager stories.

Brit

 

[BillJ]

Those of you who are clamoring for Janeway's return are making the assumption that if the editors at Pocket were to give you what you want, she'd be returned to her original role of being intimately involved with Voyager and its crew, and I personally can find nothing that would warrant such an assumption. As I previously pointed out, Janeway was a supporting/tertiary character in all but two of the post-"Endgame" novels in which she appeared, and I really don't see this being changed even if the editors were to decide to resurrect her.

Well you just made our point again, those books would have sold better to us if they had included more Janeway. We are saying first bring her back and then second write meaningful character driven stories about her and I can tell you people will buy those books and in much larger amounts than these pale imitation Voyager stories.

Brit

I'm sure Pocket did absolutely no research and had no clue where their audience interests lie. Peter David woke up one day and said I'm gonna kill Janeway and Pocket said "cool"!

 

[Kathryn J.]

I'm a "Militant Janeway" fan and I buy the books. I just wish she was back, I don't like the new captain.

See... this is what I call an informed opinion, even if you weren't going to buy them regularly due to Janeway's absence. You at least tried it.

You don't need to read the books to know you don't want to read them. People saying they won't read them because Janeway isn't in them are not saying "I won't read that book because it is badly written." You seem to think that people's opinions are not informed, that would be true if they refused to read a book because it was badly written when they hadn't read any of it. They are just refusing to read a book because it's not ABOUT what they want to read.

I absolutely agree with Teacake, and I can't imagine that somebody of you guys would buy any book or watch any movie without getting information before what it is about (see: reading the cover information, watching a trailor or/and reading reviews).
If NOT, so he is either pretty stupid or he is a liar (or maybe a sponsor or salesman of the publisher).

So, YOU surely do it yourself and that's why you simply have to tolerate that also KJ fans decide freely, if they want to spend money on a book or not, which content they won't like.
This is also an informed opinion. You don't have to read a book to have an opinion wether you like its topic or not.

E. g. I read lots of information about FC before I bought it - and when I read it, there were no surprises to me - except: It was much more scary than I had expected.

The skills of Kirsten Beyer as writer don't have anything to do with that. I love her story Isabo's Shirt and believe that she is a talented writer. Sadly she gets the task what to write by TPTB and added to that she had to work with the situation given by Before Dishonor.