^ Riker did, in "Angel One" and "The Game". I'm sure there are other examples, but I don't think we need a whole long list of 'em.
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^ Well, no, the people in "Angel One" were trying to kill some Federation citizens who were shipwrecked on their planet and the lady in "The Game" tricked Riker into brainwashing the crew and then tried to steal the Enterprise. So I'm thinkin' . . . probably not allies.
Anyway, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have a lot of trivia, so call on me if you want more.
Anyway, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have a lot of trivia, so call on me if you want more.
I remember "The Game" but not much of "Angel One".^ Well, no, the people in "Angel One" were trying to kill some Federation citizens who were shipwrecked on their planet and the lady in "The Game" tricked Riker into brainwashing the crew and then tried to steal the Enterprise. So I'm thinkin' . . . probably not allies.
Anyway, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do have a lot of trivia, so call on me if you want more.
Thanks for the info.
Like I said, nobody kicked up a fuss when Harry spent the night with the life-sucking vampire brides, who definitely weren't allies, so this really sounds like a rule they just made up so Harry could get in trouble.
In fact, just back in "Gravity," Tom was encouraging Tuvok to get it on with a mystery alien, with no mention of how this was a violation of a standing order.
In fact, just back in "Gravity," Tom was encouraging Tuvok to get it on with a mystery alien, with no mention of how this was a violation of a standing order.
Hmm...maybe only senior officers can do the deed outside of wedlock with random non-federation aliens...
ETA: I liked the episode and found it amusing, except any part where Harry Kim had a kissing scene because I thought he looked incredibly awkward.
But didn't Janeway/EMH think he (Harry) was their (Life sucking vampire brides) species?
Not to just type a complete copout or anything, but... Voyager? Ignoring its past? That's impossible!
Would you really take the moral advice of someone that used to be a criminal?
Sorry the fact that Tom is encouraging a married Vulcan to cheat is not a good example that the rule doesn't exist. However, I will concede that before now it didn't.
I couldn't get "Operation: Annihilate!" on Instant Nexflix, so I had to make due with...
"Course: Oblivion"
I've got a real fondness for meat substitute products. I'm a bigger fan of Tofurky sausages than real sausages (trust me, this is going somewhere). A few months ago, while I was slicing up aforesaid Tofurky sausages for dinner while watching Voyager, I had a sudden mental image of Janeway stuck on a Voyager duplicate--kind of like Kirk in "Mark of Gideon." At one point she picks up a piece of this ship, crumbles it between her fingers, and tastes it. She gives her look of utter disdain and says, "This isn't Voyager...it's Soyager."
So this has been a running joke in the Shatnertage household for a while now. Imagine my delight when the show actually provided a "real" Soyager.
My first wisecrack is that it's awesome that an episode entitled "Course: Oblivion" should start with a wedding.
At first I thought this was in an alternate universe or something--the sudden "improvement" to the warp core just seemed to good to be true. It turns out the episode is a sequel to "Demon," certainly not at the top of the list of episodes I wanted to see a sequel to.
Funny that, in the Trek universe, breaking down at the subatomic level=bad skin.
This one was more interesting in the idea than the execution--the concept of the duplicate which thinks it's the original is very Dickian, and they really could have gone somewhere with it. The doomed crew was poignant to watch, and I respect FakeHarry and FakeSeven pulling out all the stops to get Soyager "home."
If you think about it too much, the episode doesn't make a lot of sense. I guess if the Silver Blood copies people's clothes as well as their bodies just from reading their "DNA," it's possible for it to clone a starship, but didn't Fake Harry and Tom need to be in the Y-Class atmosphere to live? I just don't really get how this episode is possible at all.
I'll file under in the "not awful, but not great" drawer.
I guess I'll find out soon whether the Paris/Torres wedding happened on the real Voyager, too.
"Course: Oblivion"
I've got a real fondness for meat substitute products. I'm a bigger fan of Tofurky sausages than real sausages (trust me, this is going somewhere). A few months ago, while I was slicing up aforesaid Tofurky sausages for dinner while watching Voyager, I had a sudden mental image of Janeway stuck on a Voyager duplicate--kind of like Kirk in "Mark of Gideon." At one point she picks up a piece of this ship, crumbles it between her fingers, and tastes it. She gives her look of utter disdain and says, "This isn't Voyager...it's Soyager."
So this has been a running joke in the Shatnertage household for a while now. Imagine my delight when the show actually provided a "real" Soyager.
My first wisecrack is that it's awesome that an episode entitled "Course: Oblivion" should start with a wedding.
At first I thought this was in an alternate universe or something--the sudden "improvement" to the warp core just seemed to good to be true. It turns out the episode is a sequel to "Demon," certainly not at the top of the list of episodes I wanted to see a sequel to.
Funny that, in the Trek universe, breaking down at the subatomic level=bad skin.
This one was more interesting in the idea than the execution--the concept of the duplicate which thinks it's the original is very Dickian, and they really could have gone somewhere with it. The doomed crew was poignant to watch, and I respect FakeHarry and FakeSeven pulling out all the stops to get Soyager "home."
If you think about it too much, the episode doesn't make a lot of sense. I guess if the Silver Blood copies people's clothes as well as their bodies just from reading their "DNA," it's possible for it to clone a starship, but didn't Fake Harry and Tom need to be in the Y-Class atmosphere to live? I just don't really get how this episode is possible at all.
I'll file under in the "not awful, but not great" drawer.
I guess I'll find out soon whether the Paris/Torres wedding happened on the real Voyager, too.
Yeah, the silver blood is BIO-mimetic fluid. They even call it bio-mimetic fluid in both this episode and "Demon." They blatantly ignore the fact that there's no way it could copy inanimate objects/energy.
That said, Janeway in a dress uniform = yes, please. Also, the ending makes me so, so sad every time.
And I do like the idea of a bunch of silver-blood fakes running around. It was a cool sequel to a not-so-cool episode. I just wish they had at least technobabbled up some excuse as to why it was able to imitate the ship.
I thought this episode was so sad
Yeah, me too. Obviously suspending disbelief (shatnertage makes some good points about the plausibility of the bio-mimetic fluid being able to duplicate clothing, electronics, all sorts of computer parts, etc.), but I got so caught up in their plight and feeling bad for them that I let all that stuff go. I mean, this is fiction, right?
I met Jeri Ryan at a Con. once and she let us in on an inside joke about this ep.
She told us as a joke the producers wanted to "punish" some of the cast as a prank.
So she was saying the joke was; if any of the cast messed up their lines or caused a hold up while filming. The make up artists were instructed to add more goopy make up to that actors face.
I'm pretty sure Beltran ended up with the most on his face.
She told us as a joke the producers wanted to "punish" some of the cast as a prank.
So she was saying the joke was; if any of the cast messed up their lines or caused a hold up while filming. The make up artists were instructed to add more goopy make up to that actors face.
I'm pretty sure Beltran ended up with the most on his face.
At first, it looked like someone sneezed on the crew. Then it looked like they were turning into frogs.
But it was a pretty sad episode. Having had some time to think about it, the whole idea of doomed Soyager trying to get "home" is a good one. I think this was heavily inspired by some of Philip K. Dick's work--it touches on a lot of his themes. And FakeParis talks very much like a Dickian protagonist when he confronts Harry about how the real Harry's family will feel when he walks through the door.
But it was a pretty sad episode. Having had some time to think about it, the whole idea of doomed Soyager trying to get "home" is a good one. I think this was heavily inspired by some of Philip K. Dick's work--it touches on a lot of his themes. And FakeParis talks very much like a Dickian protagonist when he confronts Harry about how the real Harry's family will feel when he walks through the door.
I love this ep, but I have to sort of filter it in my brain. Anything that refers to something other than the personalities of Voyager's crew makes no sense. Anything that is strictly a "character" moment is excellent.
Plus, hey, exodus! I think this might be the only Janeway death scene in the whole series in which Mulgrew does not do the "shot in the stomach" thing you are sooooooo very fond of.
Plus, hey, exodus! I think this might be the only Janeway death scene in the whole series in which Mulgrew does not do the "shot in the stomach" thing you are sooooooo very fond of.
How many times did Janeway "die" during the series? I can think of two other times offhand (YoH, Coda), but there have to be more.
Off the top of my head, she also died in "Timeless" and probably in "The Killing Game", but of course, those were off camera. "Deadlock" and "Endgame" kind of count as deaths, too, I guess.
But she does the clutching at her self and making bug eyes thing pretty often when she's seriously injured. "Cold Fire" and "Fury" come to mind.
ETA
Four good examples right here: http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=117&page=33
But she does the clutching at her self and making bug eyes thing pretty often when she's seriously injured. "Cold Fire" and "Fury" come to mind.
ETA
Four good examples right here: http://voy.trekcore.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=117&page=33
In all she dies 17 times. But that's if you count the four times from Coda, and the like four more times she's mentioned as dead.
http://www.funtrivia.com/en/subtopics/Death-or-Near-Death-of-Capt-Janeway-105194.html
Plus, hey, exodus! I think this might be the only Janeway death scene in the whole series in which Mulgrew does not do the "shot in the stomach" thing you are sooooooo very fond of.
True!
It kinda reminded me of those cans of slime they used to sell in toys stores back in the 80's.
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