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Rooted in realism: Ideas for a more likely series six

I thought Star Trek 2009 was shitty, but I'll be there in 2012... money in hand to see the sequel. :lol:

And if you go see Star Trek '12, and it turns out to be a shitty movie, and yet you still go see Star Trek '15, you will officially be my new best friend.;)

I think whatever they do decide on, they should take a lesson from TNG. Put it far in the future of the 24th century, just as TNG did with TOS. That way, it does not conflict with anything that came before, but you still have the back story of Trek.

The Abramsverse exists to solve just that problem. In the 23rd C.

^This.
 
So I've created this thread to discuss what the most likely things we'd see in a sixth television series would be. When facing that forge of realism, what do you think has the highest chance of success in today's television world? What do you think the core elements would be; would it be a ship, a station or something else altogether? What sort of crew do you envision? What century, hell, what timeline is this taking place in? Are there any cameos you can imagine weaving into the tapestry nicely and grabbing ratings? What hurdles do you foresee? Who won last night's lottery?

Somewhat depends on where it will air. If its on Showtime, I have to think its going to have more sex and graphic violence then what we are used to in Trek. Not Californication, but more sex then youve ever seen in Trek. ALot more. And if there is a Klingon with a bat'leth, expect to see a limb or a head get hacked off. I cant picture anything on a venue like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc that wouldnt do that with Trek.

Not that the Medical Officer is going to be popping pills like Nurse Jackie, but I would expect more obvious character flaws and personal conflict then what weve seen before.

Yes it will be on a ship. Theres no better way to get them to new worlds and face new challenges, etc.

I dont think the timeline or century matter much. TNG and the TOS Movies were spearated by generations, although in the same essential continuity. It matters who is making it though. Who is the production team. If its JJ then of course that has to increase the chance that its in the movies continuity. But even then it might not be.

But if its someone else, it depends. Whats "realistic" from one is not what you could realistically expect from someone else. That makes this hard to say. If it was Joe Straczynski wouldnt it be different than Joss Whedon or Rockne O'Bannon? Not that there is any liklihood that it would be any of those three, but you know what I mean. Alot would depend on who it was. What would WhedonTrek look like? I dont know.
 
Realistically, the first test the show must pass is to convince the honchos that it's a worthwhile project to fund. CBS has the TV rights, and nobody makes shows for competing outlets anymore, so the show must fit either CBS, Showtime or CW.

CBS' audience doesn't want sci fi and especially not sci fi that has nothing to do with cops. CW's audience of teen girls goes more for supernatural elements and vampires. There's a way to do Star Trek for CW, but it's not what any of us would want to see. ;)

That leaves Showtime as the only sensible option. The biggest obstacle is that premium cable's strategy is to charge premium prices in return for stuff that you can't see anywhere else on TV. Star Trek is associated with "anywhere else on TV." Oops.

Assuming that Showtime somehow decides to ignore that fundamental disconnect because of the allure of a known brand name that has good connotations because of the movie success, what would Star Trek look like on Showtime?

-Lots of sex, swearing and nudity? Maybe not. Premium cable isn't mandated to have NC-17 elements just because they can. Star Trek has been associated with a more restrained broadcast friendly approach, even in movies, where they could just go for an R rating. I'd expect somewhat more sex and nudity, but well short of softcore porn a la The Tudors, and no substantial increase in swearing, which would be a jarring change. In Star Trek, humans just don't seem to have swear words. Like religion, that's just for aliens. But the "prohibition" against gay characters will be dropped. The Showtime audience is sophisticated enough that this won't turn a hair (and also won't find it interesting in and of itself.)

-Lots of violence? This is more likely. Violence would be depicted with more abandon than we've seen on Star Trek previously. Redshirts dying in droves is a long established tradition, and it's not disruptive if they die a bit more messily.

-Back to basics. With space opera almost nonexistent on TV, Showtime's approach is going to be conservative. They're not going to focus on fannish minutae like space medicine or what happens after the Dominion War. It'll be a spaceship going boldly, most likely 23rd C, most likely with your standard American white male human captain in charge, with the diversity happening among the crew and guest aliens.

-Story arcs and thematic complexity. The Showtime audience is used to complex serialized plotlines and capable of grasping thematic development. A wholly episodic series would be too boring for them, reminiscent of the broadcast shows they pay a subscription to avoid. This is where Showtime could really contribute to the resurrection of Star Trek, with character development and space politics that would put even DS9 to shame.

-Abramsverse.
The Showtime audience will either know nothing of Trek, or will have seen Trek XI. The aesthetics will key off Trek XI, and if there are mentions of Vulcans, it will be in the context of a destroyed Vulcan. Obsessive fans will notice which universe the show takes place in, and nobody else will care. The fact that it's in the Abramsverse will make very little difference anyway.
I think the next Trek series could be an animated one
I'd vote for this as likely, too - why couldn't Star Trek follow the footsteps of The Clone Wars? - but I can't envision this airing on CBS, CW or Showtime, and why would CBS make a series for The Cartoon Network, which isn't one of its outlets?

Based on the issues you point out with Showtime I see CW being the most likely. The show will feature a young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy at the Academy. Kirk will have a thing for Carol Marcus, but she won't be interested in him at first. Kirk and McCoy will be trouble makers, with Spock always warning them to behave. Somehow Kirk always saves the day.
 
I think whatever they do decide on, they should take a lesson from TNG. Put it far in the future of the 24th century, just as TNG did with TOS. That way, it does not conflict with anything that came before, but you still have the back story of Trek.
The Abramsverse exists to solve just that problem. In the 23rd C.

^This.
For the movies, yeah, but I am talking about a TV series.

My preference is that a TV series be based in the prime universe. The destruction of Vulcan really rubs me the wrong way.

But even if you kept said series in the Abramsverse, everything else I said still applies. It should be far in the future of of Abramsverse TOS era, so as not to limit those movie plots, or step on their continuity.
 
I thought Star Trek 2009 was shitty, but I'll be there in 2012... money in hand to see the sequel. :lol:

And if you go see Star Trek '12, and it turns out to be a shitty movie, and yet you still go see Star Trek '15, you will officially be my new best friend.;)

I've been through good and bad for nearly thirty-five years now. There is very little they could do in the sequel that would keep me out of theaters the third go around.

I need to go see them. So, if nothing else, I can come in here and bitch. :lol:
 
The Abramsverse exists to solve just that problem. In the 23rd C.

^This.
For the movies, yeah, but I am talking about a TV series.

My preference is that a TV series be based in the prime universe. The destruction of Vulcan really rubs me the wrong way.

But even if you kept said series in the Abramsverse, everything else I said still applies. It should be far in the future of of Abramsverse TOS era, so as not to limit those movie plots, or step on their continuity.

I'm actually with you there. Kinda back to basics while moving forward. Plus, since the movie guys obviously want to shake things up (as seen in Vulcan's destruction), producers and writers of a new series continuing the Prime universe could work independent from the movies. I actually have a very specific idea of how I would do a new Trek show after the Abrams movie, set in the Prime universe in the middle of the 25th century, but as I'm unlikely to get a pitch made into an actual tv show, I've decided to go ahead and do it as a fanfic series (as announced in my ava and sig).

And, yes, I do realize how shamelessly I promoted my own thing with this post.
 
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Based on the issues you point out with Showtime I see CW being the most likely. The show will feature a young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy at the Academy. Kirk will have a thing for Carol Marcus, but she won't be interested in him at first. Kirk and McCoy will be trouble makers, with Spock always warning them to behave. Somehow Kirk always saves the day.
...And no one will watch it, and it will be cancelled after five episodes. Seriously, that's never gonna happen. If we're speaking about "realism".

Why? Because it's boring. How much story potential is there, really, in an Earthbound series set at Starfleet Academy? Not much. Perhaps one movie, like Harve Bennett's script -- but even that had a space battle at the end. But a weekly television series? How many "days" could there be to "save", really?

This is just a hunch, but I have a feeling that when someone decides to bring Star Trek back to television, it's going to have some, well, trekking through the stars in it.
 
I can't see them confusing the new fans they brought in by doing a series based off an Enterprise from the future of the nu-Trek Enterprise. I think most realistic would be to feature another, slightly less advanced ship(I'd love to see a Kelvin type featured, but any those shown would be great), perhaps something charting new star systems while trying to avoid Klingons(familiar foe to the audience) and have the before mentioned cameos from the film cast.

get rid of Wesley,
They should do that and then have Wil Wheaton guest star as someone totally unrelated at some point for the lulz of it all.

And this is a very serious suggestion... have Wil Wheaton star as captain of the TV series ship. Not as Wesley.
 
If its on Showtime, I have to think its going to have more sex and graphic violence then what we are used to in Trek. Not Californication, but more sex then youve ever seen in Trek. ALot more. And if there is a Klingon with a bat'leth, expect to see a limb or a head get hacked off. I cant picture anything on a venue like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc that wouldnt do that with Trek.

Possibly, but Dexter on Showtime is about a serial killer and it's pretty amazing how restrained they are with the violence. The first season showed the most gore and since then it's been more infrequent. They do more suspense than out and out violence. Sex scenes happen only to the degree the story demands, which isn't terribly often.

For the movies, yeah, but I am talking about a TV series.

The Abramsverse also solves the problem for a TV series.

My preference is that a TV series be based in the prime universe. The destruction of Vulcan really rubs me the wrong way.

Obviously most people are okay with it since the movie make boatloads of money. To suddenly have the original Vulcan exist again would simply be confusing for those who have seen the movie but who are casual fans and probably don't realize there are two realities involved. Confusing your audience is never good.

But even if you kept said series in the Abramsverse, everything else I said still applies. It should be far in the future of of Abramsverse TOS era, so as not to limit those movie plots, or step on their continuity.

We know so little about the past of that reality that there wouldn't be much canon to worry about. But it would be confusing to the casual fan to have a TV series set before the movie. The expectation would be that if the series launches five years after Trek XI, it takes place five years after the movie. Or a few years after anyway, doesn't have to be that precise.

Plus, since the movie guys obviously want to shake things up (as seen in Vulcan's destruction), producers and writers of a new series continuing the Prime universe could work independent from the movies.

Too confusing for the casual audience. Most people wouldn't realize the Prime Universe even still exists. And what is the advantage of returning to it? To show Vulcan? The Vulcans live on a new planet which as far as we know looks exactly like the old one. Show that planet and move on without further comment.

The main way the Abramsverse would be shown is in aesthetics. A new show would follow the new aesthetics. There's no way CBS is going to let a new series look like TOS. That would be both confusing and bizarre.

How much story potential is there, really, in an Earthbound series set at Starfleet Academy?
A Starfleet Academy series could be largely set in space, with the cadets training. If Showtime did this idea, it could be good. The CW, not so much.
 
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Based on the issues you point out with Showtime I see CW being the most likely. The show will feature a young Kirk, Spock, and McCoy at the Academy. Kirk will have a thing for Carol Marcus, but she won't be interested in him at first. Kirk and McCoy will be trouble makers, with Spock always warning them to behave. Somehow Kirk always saves the day.
...And no one will watch it, and it will be cancelled after five episodes. Seriously, that's never gonna happen. If we're speaking about "realism".

Why? Because it's boring. How much story potential is there, really, in an Earthbound series set at Starfleet Academy? Not much. Perhaps one movie, like Harve Bennett's script -- but even that had a space battle at the end. But a weekly television series? How many "days" could there be to "save", really?

This is just a hunch, but I have a feeling that when someone decides to bring Star Trek back to television, it's going to have some, well, trekking through the stars in it.

Have you seen Smallville? How much potential is there for a show before Superman was Superman, set at Smallville HS? How many villains could there really be? Last time I checked, Smallville has made it 10 years and is getting ratings that would merit an 11th season if the producers hadn't decided to finally pull the plug.

You may not like high school/college angst, but a lot of the CW viewers do. If for business reasons the CW is the only home for Trek, then Trek needs to be made to fit on the CW. You may not like the show, I may not like the show, but if 3+ million CW viewers like the show then it will last.
 
Have you seen Smallville? How much potential is there for a show before Superman was Superman, set at Smallville HS?
Plenty. Developing his superpowers, discovering his origins, beginning his very early villain-fighting career, showing how Lex Luthor turned bad. As an origin story, there's quite a lot to work with. What is there to work with in a Starfleet Academy series? As I said before, only about one movie's worth of material if you're lucky.

Additionally, it's worth noting that Smallville began airing only a few years after the conclusion of Lois & Clark. It's not the same situation as bringing Star Trek back to TV for the first time in (probably) at least a decade.
 
If its on Showtime, I have to think its going to have more sex and graphic violence then what we are used to in Trek. Not Californication, but more sex then youve ever seen in Trek. ALot more. And if there is a Klingon with a bat'leth, expect to see a limb or a head get hacked off. I cant picture anything on a venue like HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc that wouldnt do that with Trek.

Possibly, but Dexter on Showtime is about a serial killer and it's pretty amazing how restrained they are with the violence. The first season showed the most gore and since then it's been more infrequent. They do more suspense than out and out violence. Sex scenes happen only to the degree the story demands, which isn't terribly often.

Yes, but a serial killer is the PROtaganist. Thats quite a change already. Trek on that channel is going to be Trek like you havent seen it before.

I think there is little doubt that it would have more sex and graphic violence then we are used to on Trek. That being the standard. Not more sex than the Tudors or Californication, etc. Just more than we have seen on Trek before. Thats not a hard bar to surpass, since there wasnt all that much.
 
Have you seen Smallville? How much potential is there for a show before Superman was Superman, set at Smallville HS?
Plenty. Developing his superpowers, discovering his origins, beginning his very early villain-fighting career, showing how Lex Luthor turned bad. As an origin story, there's quite a lot to work with. What is there to work with in a Starfleet Academy series? As I said before, only about one movie's worth of material if you're lucky.

Additionally, it's worth noting that Smallville began airing only a few years after the conclusion of Lois & Clark. It's not the same situation as bringing Star Trek back to TV for the first time in (probably) at least a decade.

Yes. Superboy is still a superhero with superpowers. "Meteor freaks" giving him super powered opponents in his little small town. Academy will not be like that. He wont be captain. And how many times will the Klingons be invading the academy and starfleet is helpless (what with this being the Capital of the Federation and all) and so must turn so a 20 old snot to save the day?

WIth the huge glut of trained senior officers (and an ensign is more senior) I dont think the services of Cadets will really be that critical all that often. It would be a painful snoozefest.

A one off movie or a brisk paced miniseries maybe. Thats it. Id rather they start with teen Kirk witnessing a small scale genocide. He and lil Riley lived through a horrendous experience. So I can see a miniseries that sets up a series. One that moves pretty quickly through there earlier lives, but not 4 painful seasons of Cadet Kirk and his Cadet Teen Scooby Gang solving intergalactic mysteries.
 
I don't know, guys & gals...I just don't see CBS doing any kind of new Trek series unless they could utilize the sets, props, models etc. from the films to ease the cost concerns, which is exactly what TNG did when it premiered. And Kirk and Spock are what's hot and will most likely remain hot for the next two films, not nuPicard or nuWesley. And it's a hell of a lot easier to recast Kirk and Spock than it is to establish brand new characters and try to get the viewing audience to care about them. Yes, it happened in TNG, but this isn't 1987 anymore, and regardless, people would have accepted anybody new in 1987 because everybody wanted Trek back on the air. Not so today.
 
Set reuses could happen even if its set 100 years apart. Redressing a set can turn a 23rd century main bridge into a 24th century battlebridge or a 22nd century bridge.

But there would be some new sets. I certainly dont want to see that damned brewery (or whatever the hell it was) as "engineering" ever again. But no one should think that any future show must be set in the early 2260s of the JJverse and on a nuConstitution class because of sets, etc
 
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