Why is the Trek community so negative about Voyager?

[david g]

There is much to admire in DS9. But which modern Trek show has the characters I love the most, and the actors I find the most charming, and the premise I find the most resonant, and the stories I find, again and again, the most moving?

VOYAGER!

 

[indolover]

..there were toys and videos games to made from Trek now, Paramount wasn't going to loose out on that momentum. Not with Star Trek: the Experance waiting to launch and a new network to compete with FOX and/or the WB. Trek was bigger then than it ever was. During that time, waiting just wasn't an option.

But even Star Wars knew better than to try and make TV shows at the same time they were making the Prequel movies, or try and make a TV show while they were making the OT.

With all that stuff, like the Experience and everything, did it occur to them that over saturation would end up halting the momentum anyways?

One of the difference is, Star Wars is all readt reaching the audience Paramount wanted Trek too. Lucas & FOX have liitle worries that SW won't reach out to the new/next generation of fan. ST can often to stiff for many, which it why it has a harder time reacting the next wave of fan.

Why would they, TNG and it's film did very well. While DS9's viewership faltered next to TNG's, it still held strong for a show first run in syndication. There was very little at the time that showed signs of such trouble. I'm sure it was a concern but not one they thought they couldn't get out of. Voyager is still a success story, it endured to spite all that was set against it.

However, over saturation wasn't the only issue.
Local networks in major citys showed Voyager at the same time as DS9.
Some cities didn't show Voyager at all.
I live in the NYC area, which is considered one of the huge entertainment hubs.
It's also the most densely populated areas in the US.
NYC was one of those cities where Voyager was shown up against DS9.
How many Neilson households are in this area alone?
How many of them were Trek viewers?
How many of the viewing audience were divided upon which one to watch that night?
How does that effect the status of a show?

That's another factor.
Did Voyager disappoint due to stories or is a major part due to network scheduling?
During sweeps weeks, who got the bigger budget due to higher viewer turn out?

Voyager had some excellent stories.

The problem to me was simply the show's production. Had Voyager been produced, relative to characters and character airtime, similar to TNG and DS9, it would have been a better show. I liked it, and think it was good, but certainly not a great show.

 

[exodus]

But even Star Wars knew better than to try and make TV shows at the same time they were making the Prequel movies, or try and make a TV show while they were making the OT.

With all that stuff, like the Experience and everything, did it occur to them that over saturation would end up halting the momentum anyways?

One of the difference is, Star Wars is all readt reaching the audience Paramount wanted Trek too. Lucas & FOX have liitle worries that SW won't reach out to the new/next generation of fan. ST can often to stiff for many, which it why it has a harder time reacting the next wave of fan.

Why would they, TNG and it's film did very well. While DS9's viewership faltered next to TNG's, it still held strong for a show first run in syndication. There was very little at the time that showed signs of such trouble. I'm sure it was a concern but not one they thought they couldn't get out of. Voyager is still a success story, it endured to spite all that was set against it.

However, over saturation wasn't the only issue.
Local networks in major citys showed Voyager at the same time as DS9.
Some cities didn't show Voyager at all.
I live in the NYC area, which is considered one of the huge entertainment hubs.
It's also the most densely populated areas in the US.
NYC was one of those cities where Voyager was shown up against DS9.
How many Neilson households are in this area alone?
How many of them were Trek viewers?
How many of the viewing audience were divided upon which one to watch that night?
How does that effect the status of a show?

That's another factor.
Did Voyager disappoint due to stories or is a major part due to network scheduling?
During sweeps weeks, who got the bigger budget due to higher viewer turn out?

Voyager had some excellent stories.

The problem to me was simply the show's production. Had Voyager been produced, relative to characters and character airtime, similar to TNG and DS9, it would have been a better show. I liked it, and think it was good, but certainly not a great show.

.......but in all fairness, with the amount of shows created every year by every network how many TV shows really do qualify as "great" honestly? IMO Voyager was a way better show than we got from HEROES, V, often more engaging that the Stargate spin-offs and better produced than B5. So yes, I agree it was a good show and often times better than many of the other sci-fi shows created today.

 

[Admiral Shran]

What the hell happened to this thread? I leave it for a few months and it just dies.

.......but in all fairness, with the amount of shows created every year by every network how many TV shows really do qualify as "great" honestly? IMO Voyager was a way better show than we got from HEROES, V, often more engaging that the Stargate spin-offs and better produced than B5. So yes, I agree it was a good show and often times better than many of the other sci-fi shows created today.

QFT. VOY might not be my favorite Trek show, but it's hands down better than most stuff thrown at audiences.

 

[Duane]

I love the opening post in this thread, which essentially states that the typical trekkie wears glasses and is either obese or sickly thin. Classic.

That said, I like VOY a lot and a friend of mine considers it the very best Trek series.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I love the opening post in this thread, which essentially states that the typical trekkie wears glasses and is either obese or sickly thin. Classic.

Thanks for the heads up!

Apparently the OP was just too buff to be a Trekkie.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Have I posted in this thread? Well, if it's back I'll just say "I enjoyed Voyager for what it was"

 

[exodus]

I love the opening post in this thread, which essentially states that the typical trekkie wears glasses and is either obese or sickly thin. Classic.

Thanks for the heads up!

Apparently the OP was just too buff to be a Trekkie.

Allow me to introduce him to fellow poster & bodybuilder RAMA.

 

[froot]

Hey, this thread's back!

Can I state, for the record, that I do wear glasses, smell funny, and am socially inept? There's got to be at least a few of us out there who resemble the "Trekkie" stereotype.

(Not to mention a Trek RP group that recruited me at a comic convention once were a fairly scary group of human beings. I never called any of em back.)

 

[Anwar]

I would like to see some pictures of this fellow, to prove he's not a "typical Trekkie".

But anyways, the negativity to VOY these days has died down since it's main opponent (NuBSG) fizzled out rather poorly and it's attempts at making a franchise of its own have failed thus far too. Plus, seeing how easily it could have been worse (SGU) always defused things a bit.

Not to say there weren't problems, I myself had problems with it at the conceptual level.

 

[Nick086]

I love the opening post in this thread, which essentially states that the typical trekkie wears glasses and is either obese or sickly thin. Classic.

That said, I like VOY a lot and a friend of mine considers it the very best Trek series.

Yep, they live in their parent's dark damped basement all day wacthing porn when there is no Trek on TV. They stink up the basement foul oder of BO, fart, and manjuice.

 

[exodus]

I love the opening post in this thread, which essentially states that the typical trekkie wears glasses and is either obese or sickly thin. Classic.

That said, I like VOY a lot and a friend of mine considers it the very best Trek series.

Yep, they live in their parent's dark damped basement all day wacthing porn when there is no Trek on TV. They stink up the basement foul oder of BO, fart, and manjuice.

.....but seriously, what is the deal with so many fanboys and bad hygene?

 

[SD70ACe]

Voyager is my least favorite of the various Trek series, but there's still a lot I enjoy about it.

 

[tomalak301]

Well, I think the Voyager forum community has made me revisit and like the show more than before I got here. I mean I've always been a Voyager fan (Followed it probably more closely than DS9 when they were on) but I really like the community in this forum to the point where my mood always seems to shift to Voyager more than other trek series. I mean my favorite is TNG, and I'm in a TNG rewatch, but I come to this forum and start getting into a Voyager mood to the point where I continued my Voyager rewatch last week and finished Season 2 finally. Now the next two episodes are Future's End and there was a thread about those two a few weeks back, so I'm looking forward to revisiting it even though I've seen it countless times before.

There were issues with Voyager, sure, but there were issues with all the Star Treks. Overall though, I ignore those issues because the good (Actors, episode) far outweigh the bad.

 

[JanewayRulz!]

I bring this up today because I just got home a little while ago from the local shopping mall. I walk into a great little store that sells basically everything science fiction. Books, DVD's, T-Shirts, memorabilia etc. So I immediately walk over to the Star Trek section and begin scouring over all the merchandise. I don't think I look like the typical Trekkie because I don't wear glasses, I'm not obese or sickly thin, but I'm muscular, with large arms and a large chest as I'm a competitive weight lifter. So anyway this guy walks up to me and asks if I'm a fan of Trek, I respond without haste, "Most definitely!". He asks if I preferred TNG or DS9. I say "Neither, Voyager is my favorite." He looks me up and down and makes a peculiar expression on his face like I just told him I believe the earth is flat. He says, "Oh, so you're obviously a fan of Jeri Ryan." Obviously he assumes I only watched the show because of her. I say "No, she did a great job with her character, but I just found Voyager the best of all the Treks." He looks at me and says "Oh." Then he just walked away.

I can't be the only one who has noticed the overtly negative perception Voyager has within the Trek community.

Well, one clerk in a store, does not a community make. I think RAW just needed to get out more.

 

[Admiral Shran]

Hey, this thread's back!

This thread will never die.

 

[Shatnertage]

Tomalak301's post made me realize that I've definitely got a better appreciation for Voyager thanks to this forum. If it wasn't for this place, I probably wouldn't have felt such a need to watch it in the first place. I might have watched a few of the Spike TV episodes, but wouldn't have gone ahead with my full-on watching project.

 

[BlobVanDam]

Voyager is my least favorite of the various Trek series, but there's still a lot I enjoy about it.

I feel the same way about ENT. Just because a show may be the weakest of the series, doesn't mean it's terrible or doesn't have its own redeeming qualities. I just enjoy it for what it is.

 

[RyuRoots]

Hey, this thread's back!

This thread will never die.

Apparently not. Strangely impressive.

 

[TedShatner10]

But anyways, the negativity to VOY these days has died down since it's main opponent (NuBSG) fizzled out rather poorly and it's attempts at making a franchise of its own have failed thus far too. Plus, seeing how easily it could have been worse (SGU) always defused things a bit.

Voyager arguably did better in the long run than SG: Atlantis as well, and it was certainly overall better than Enterprise and Heroes (both four seasons long shows had perhaps one and a half seasons of good to excellent content, the rest of it being mediocre or shit).