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Is the Star Wars saga better with Episodes I to III or worse?
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According to that logic, all scenes with Padme and Anakin would have to be the best scenes, because most of them were shot on location or in properly built sets.
Episode I would be the best of them all because it contained more model shots than the entire original trilogy combined, and is the prequel movie with the most on location shoots.
Episode I would be the best of them all because it contained more model shots than the entire original trilogy combined, and is the prequel movie with the most on location shoots.
I have sort of mixed feelings about the PT. I grew up with the OT and loved all three movies, so those will always be my favorites no matter what, however the PT had some good things as well even if we had to muddle through some bad things as well.
TPM, for all of its hype, was my least favorite given that it is so far removed from the main storyline. It might've been better as a standalone book "prologue" to the PT (though we might not have gotten the awesome "Duel of The Fates" though it would've seemed more appropriate for ROTS). AOTC explained how the Clone Wars came to start and ROTS illustrated the final tipping point of the Republic into the Empire and Anakin's final descent to the Dark Side. Of the three, ROTS was definitely the best though I enjoyed AOTC a lot too and was genuinely stunned at the unexpected "twist" regarding the Clones.
The PT probably would've been better had it started with AOTC followed by a movie set sometime during the Clone Wars, followed by ROTS giving Lucas some time to expand and flesh out the characters (as TCW series has done) and not have to cram so much stuff into ROTS.
TPM, for all of its hype, was my least favorite given that it is so far removed from the main storyline. It might've been better as a standalone book "prologue" to the PT (though we might not have gotten the awesome "Duel of The Fates" though it would've seemed more appropriate for ROTS). AOTC explained how the Clone Wars came to start and ROTS illustrated the final tipping point of the Republic into the Empire and Anakin's final descent to the Dark Side. Of the three, ROTS was definitely the best though I enjoyed AOTC a lot too and was genuinely stunned at the unexpected "twist" regarding the Clones.
The PT probably would've been better had it started with AOTC followed by a movie set sometime during the Clone Wars, followed by ROTS giving Lucas some time to expand and flesh out the characters (as TCW series has done) and not have to cram so much stuff into ROTS.
They were certainly the best looking scenes - anything where a real set was used was far better looking than the rest of the mess. But see, in your argument, you're eliminating things like bad acting, lack of chemistry, bad dialogue, etc that also went into the Anakin/Padme scenes sucking royally. You don't get to break it down that simply because you think it proves your weak-ass point.
Episode 1, same thing - it definitely looked the most real, particularly the Theed scenes shot in Italy. That doesn't excuse the rest of the abysmal mess of a movie.
Episode 1, same thing - it definitely looked the most real, particularly the Theed scenes shot in Italy. That doesn't excuse the rest of the abysmal mess of a movie.
Logical fallacy.
Just because you can tease something out to a ridiculous example doesn't make YOU right.
LOL, you seriously have a problem, dude. A minute ago, we were agreeing that the prequels are bad, and then I dared disagreeing with you on one issue, and you get all bitchy. Weak-ass point, lol. Whatever, have it your way. I'm outta here.
Funny you said that.
I just watched the ENTIRE "Making of..." on the Aliens DVD set again yesterday and I am STILL amazed by the scene of the aliens' lair entry effect in the atmosphere processing station. The fact that the entire overarching top section was just a miniature placed CLOSER to the camera and lined up perfectly with the actual half built set is something I almost STILL cannot believe to be true.
The effect is SEEMLESS and BEAUTIFUL and all done in camera, on the set.
People were smarter and used more initiative back then and scripts and stories reflected this.
I so very much agree. Digital effects have really made a lot of filmmakers lazy and unimaginative.
That's very cool about Aliens, too! I keep meaning to pick up the Alien quadrilogy on Blu-ray... just having a hard time with the whole Alien3/Resurrection part of that purchase... I may just have to pop the old DVD in today though and watch that making of...
Most people that do not like the PT(but not all of them), look to gripe about the acting, or the effects or the writing, but i believe the real reason is that every fan had in their head an idea of what was going to happen, and when that didnt happen, they got pissed. now you can say that the acting was horrible, but some of the acting in the OT is horrible, as to new special effects to the old, well it just renforces the state of the galaxy, everthing is bright and new in the PT, but after the empire takes over everything is rundown and screwed up. I myself Enjoyed the PT for what is was, was it perfect, no. was it what i thought it would be, no. but did i have fun watching it, yes! and isnt that what its all about!
That is what it's all about, but I think you're in the minority when it comes to believing it was a fun experience. Not saying you're WRONG, just saying that most people don't feel that same way. For the majority of people, it was a lifeless, soulless experience lacking a lot of joy that the OT had.
Sure, the OT had bad acting and bad dialogue at points, but that doesn't excuse the PT for having abysmal acting and dialogue throughout the whole thing.
As for the effects being bright and new, that wasn't exactly my problem with it - it was a stylistic thing that I disagreed with, though. My main problem was that it didn't look real. The human eye is very good at picking out fake from real and any time they filmed on a real set (Padme's bedroom, places through Theed, exteriors on Naboo, etc) it looked real. Anytime they were on Mustafar or Coruscant's exterior shots or Utapau, they looked like they had crossed over into Cool World.
Sure, the OT had bad acting and bad dialogue at points, but that doesn't excuse the PT for having abysmal acting and dialogue throughout the whole thing.
As for the effects being bright and new, that wasn't exactly my problem with it - it was a stylistic thing that I disagreed with, though. My main problem was that it didn't look real. The human eye is very good at picking out fake from real and any time they filmed on a real set (Padme's bedroom, places through Theed, exteriors on Naboo, etc) it looked real. Anytime they were on Mustafar or Coruscant's exterior shots or Utapau, they looked like they had crossed over into Cool World.
It's not that it's run down or screwed up, it's that it's lived in. It gives it a realism that the prequels didn't have.
Yoda didn't say anything about love in that scene, or anywhere else in the PT, but by all means have fun twisting the facts into complete BULLSHIT!
What looked lived in the Death Star, the Besbin cloud city or any of the rebel bases? Lucas admits to trying to make the Death Star look lived in but the British crew kept cleaing it up at night.
I think it was mainly the Naboo technology that was shiny, but as the prequels went on things more resembled the OT's technology. The Clones and the Jedi clearly use the predecessors of Star Destroyers, TIE fighters, X-wings and even the gunships have those bubble things that resemble the Death Star's firing effect. Plus some things looked worn from the first, such as the Trade Federation/Seperatist stuff and the Pods. Heck, if you look closely in AOTC the Naboo fighters at the beginning have some wear and tear to them compared to TPM....
The Rebel bases I have to disagree, they had a lived-in look as they were quickly made from old temples and Ice caves.
The Rebel bases I have to disagree, they had a lived-in look as they were quickly made from old temples and Ice caves.
That's a misquote; "love" doesn't come up in the statement. It's simply "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." Makes perfect sense, actually; it's one of the few worthwhile observations to be found in SW.
TCW is changing everything. What's really going on with the Force is this: it's a good thing that there are Light and Dark Sides. They balance each other, and the Dark Side keeps things dynamic by struggling against the Light. It's exactly like Kirk in "The Enemy Within." You need to keep the two sides combined and in balance. When one gets loose and overpowers or supplants the other, that's bad. Doesn't matter which one, it's still bad.
But the Jedi and the Sith are too narrow-mindedly locked into their dueling ideologies to understand this. Imagine if half the crew of the Enterprise decided they liked good Kirk and followed him, and the other half followed bad Kirk. Who's right? Neither! That's the Jedi and the Sith.
So who cares what Yoda said? You might as well listen to Yeoman Rand talk about how great a captain good Kirk is. She's biased and can't be trusted.
Yes, I just used Star Trek to explain Star Wars. I'm not sure if I should be proud or disgusted with myself.
But the Jedi and the Sith are too narrow-mindedly locked into their dueling ideologies to understand this. Imagine if half the crew of the Enterprise decided they liked good Kirk and followed him, and the other half followed bad Kirk. Who's right? Neither! That's the Jedi and the Sith.
So who cares what Yoda said? You might as well listen to Yeoman Rand talk about how great a captain good Kirk is. She's biased and can't be trusted.
Yes, I just used Star Trek to explain Star Wars. I'm not sure if I should be proud or disgusted with myself.
I voted "better", just for the fuck of it.
These movies weren't great, but they had their moments and they ARE in fact the reason why Star Wars is still "hot", even for today's kids.
Let's face it, for them (the kids), without the prequels, Star Wars would be something kinda cool that their parents love, but with the prequels, SW is THEIR thing too.
Also, without the prequels, there would be no Clone Wars on Cartoon Network.
The franchise is still very much alive and kicking BECAUSE of the prequels, like it or not.
The haters always have the option of ignoring them (but for some reason, they dwell on the subject A LOT more than anyone else).
These movies weren't great, but they had their moments and they ARE in fact the reason why Star Wars is still "hot", even for today's kids.
Let's face it, for them (the kids), without the prequels, Star Wars would be something kinda cool that their parents love, but with the prequels, SW is THEIR thing too.
Also, without the prequels, there would be no Clone Wars on Cartoon Network.
The franchise is still very much alive and kicking BECAUSE of the prequels, like it or not.
The haters always have the option of ignoring them (but for some reason, they dwell on the subject A LOT more than anyone else).
Not true. The Jedi strive for balance, while the Sith do not. the Jedi are not tantamount to the Sith. That is not the message of the saga.
At this point TCW is merely hyping ratings and not really changing anything.
