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Another Voyager 1st-time watch thread

Oh yeah, the closing holodeck scene.

When Janeway said something about Leonardo getting chased off, I thought she should have just said,

"Well, Seven, with the money we spent on that alien make-up and the Omega F/X, we couldn't afford John Rhys-Davies for this episode. Work with me here."
 
I don't know! I have trouble with the quotes sometimes, I think 'cause I've seen Voy so many more times in German than in English.

Okay, just for you.

Its the same ep.

:devil:

shartnerage

Oh yeah, the closing holodeck scene.

When Janeway said something about Leonardo getting chased off, I thought she should have just said,




"Well, Seven, with the money we spent on that alien make-up and the Omega F/X, we couldn't afford John Rhys-Davies for this episode. Work with me here."
Today 04:01 PM

Whew. ;)

I've been around AMG, VAS2009 and froot too long. :drool:

THAT was NOT what I thought you were going to have Janeway "say". :eek:
 
I've been around AMG, VAS2009 and froot too long. :drool:

THAT was NOT what I thought you were going to have Janeway "say". :eek:

LOL - hey now.

Actually, no, that's not what I thought he was going to say either. :lol: But it was funny.

Omega Directive is my husband's favorite VOY episode, hands-down, bar-none. He thinks the Omega molecule idea is the best thing in Star Trek. He loves the part when all the screens get the Omega symbol and everything's all secretive. We watch this one a lot. :lol:

I like it too, but I always feel bad for those dudes who were studying the thing, minding their own business.

Demon is... um... you know, there's some really great CG in that episode. That's all I can really say about it. :lol: Living Witness is not a dud. Not to me, anyway. :drool:
 
What was I supposed to watch last night? It's on the tip of my tongue...I just can't seem to recall. Oh, that's right, it was...

"Unforgettable"

Before we saw this, I had a nice discussion with my wife about whether they'd pay to license the classic Nat King Cole recording of the song. I didn't think they would, and they didn't.

I was prepared for this being really awful, and it wasn't really that bad.

Let me qualify that. Having sat through the first half of The Twin Dilemma and survived, I feel like I've had a transformative sci fi experience. It's kind of like Jeff Bridges surviving the plane crash in Fearless. Where I used to cringe at every awkward characterization or ludicrous plot point, I now take it all in stride.

So..."Unforgettable." It was actually quite forgettable, but not offensively bad. It's way better than "Message in a Bottle" or "Nemesis," to name two 4th season clunkers. It just doesn't do much.

The funniest moment of the episode came when my wife said, "I haven't been able to follow it...what's the crime they're chasing her for?"

Me: "Falling in love with Chakotay."

That about sums it up. In the "comic irony" category, Chakotay needs help falling asleep. And he and Neelix have two interminable scenes together.

Which brings something funny up: why are people asking for relationship advice from people who don't seem to have a lot of luck? Neelix's girlfriend dumped him, after all. And when Seven's using Kim as her expect on "courtship rituals," you've got to wonder. After all, the holographic doctor has gotten laid more often in the Delta Quadrant than Harry Kim.

Other than that, I don't really have anything bad to say about "Unforgettable." Not too much good, either.
 
We did warn you . . . OK, there's one good thing to come out of this episode and it's the fact that Kate and Robert have barely any scenes together. Because had they had more scenes together this episode would have been even more ridiculous. But that's all I can think of.

Your next one is much better. And froot, don't give anything away . . . .
 
I don't know! I have trouble with the quotes sometimes, I think 'cause I've seen Voy so many more times in German than in English.


HEY! I forgot to ask something. :vulcan:

Which Janeway VOICE do you prefer, the German actress' or Mulgrew's. :drool:

(No, I'M not biased AT ALL! )

:rofl:
 
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The other thing we noticed is that Torres wasn't in this one at all. Was Roxann Dawson out having her baby?
 
I was prepared for this being really awful, and it wasn't really that bad.

It occurred to me after I complained that I might be prejudiced against this episode because What's Her Name the alien chick looks quite a bit like a former employer/nutjob/stalker of mine. Only the actress weighs about 200 pounds less. I'd say it's probably fair to say that influenced my opinion of the episode. :shifty:

At any rate, I'm glad you didn't find it as awful as "Nemesis". :)

Which Janeway VOICE do you prefer, the German actress' or Mulgrew's.

Gertie Honeck has a lovely voice. However, there is NO COMPARISON with Kate Mulgrew. No one else even comes close to being in her league!

The other thing we noticed is that Torres wasn't in this one at all. Was Roxann Dawson out having her baby?

Most likely.

Or maybe she was too smart to want to be in it. :lol:
 
AMG wrote:

I don't know! I have trouble with the quotes sometimes, I think 'cause I've seen Voy so many more times in German than in English.


HEY! I forgot to ask something. :vulcan:

Which Janeway VOICE do you prefer, the German actress' or Mulgrew's. :drool:

(No, I'M not biased AT ALL! )

:rofl:


Gertie Honeck has a lovely voice. However, there is NO COMPARISON with Kate Mulgrew. No one else even comes close to being in her league!

Ahhhh.

Wise choice. :bolian:

Wise choice indeed. :bolian:
 
So..."Unforgettable." It was actually quite forgettable, but not offensively bad. It's way better than "Message in a Bottle" or "Nemesis," to name two 4th season clunkers. It just doesn't do much.

Again, I don't like Andy Dick. But... Unforgettable > Message in a Bottle?!

:eek:

I admit this quoted bit surprised me. But I guess we can't all enjoy the same things. :)
 
So..."Unforgettable." It was actually quite forgettable, but not offensively bad. It's way better than "Message in a Bottle" or "Nemesis," to name two 4th season clunkers. It just doesn't do much.

Again, I don't like Andy Dick. But... Unforgettable > Message in a Bottle?!

:eek:

I admit this quoted bit surprised me. But I guess we can't all enjoy the same things. :)

I also think "Unforgettable" is better than "Message in a Bottle." But I'm a shameless Chakotay fangirl, so that explains that.

BTW, I'm Markira, new to the forum and to the thread. Hi!
 
Hello and welcome aboard, Markira.

You're just in time for me to talk about...

"Living Witness"

The episode opens with what I'm sure is an iconic shot of a leather glove-wearing, close-cropped Janeway standing with her back to the camera, making an emphatic statement in favor of the proposition that might makes right. They didn't put "mirror" in the title, so this isn't a Mirror Universe episode. What gives?

Oh, and I've decided the start my own Voyager drinking game. First rule: when someone says something like "Voyager's reputation precedes it," you have to drink.

Second rule: if Janeway does that little head shake thing before the other person's even done talking, drink (it's one of my favorite Janeway mannerisms).

There will be more to come, I'm sure.

We find out its a "recreation" of an event that happened 700 years ago. This is the most interesting tease in a long time.

When we get back on "Voyager," I'm struck by evil Tuvok's demeanor. And it's funny because, just like Leonard Nimoy, Tim Russ actually has a very nice smile. And it's interesting seeing everyone's body language, especially Janeway, who just casually lounges against the rail on the bridge.

And Russ directed this episode as well. Fun stuff.

It's one of the best ideas I've seen on Voyager yet--the ship's interaction with a planet is (mis)interpreted through the generations. Throw in some interesting questions about historical objectivity, and I'm hooked. To explain, I'm a historian, so this is like a Trek episode tailored just for me.

Very interesting points about how the historical legend of Voyager plays out in the "present," though if anything I'd say the Vaskans should be glad the Kyrians made such a big deal out of Voyager, since it shifts a lot of the blame to them. I didn't notice it when I was first watching, but thinking about it now it makes sense that the Vaskans would want to deflect responsibility for the war on Voyager, not the Kyrians, who would want to blame the Vaskans for everything.

Android Doctor=cool.

Chakotay with the tattoo covering half his face=biggest laugh I've had with Voyager for a while. Total lulz.

So the historian gets to meet a living witness from the past face to face, and doesn't like what he has to say. Great concept. Then, he comes around to accept that the Doctor might be telling the truth. Also great.

Then, after the riot, the episode takes an ideological nosedive. At first, they're all about getting the truth out there, but then the Doctor offers to sacrifice himself, and history, for the sake of the status quo. The words that come out of his mouth sound dangerously Orwellian, and could be used to justify any kind of revisionist history. I'm fine with the show having a character talk like this--in academia, you'll hear this kind of blather quite often--but having the "hero" of the show say it really left a bad taste in my mouth.

Thankfully, the Doctor's refuted, and we get a bittersweet final scene where we learn the historian and the Doctor's final fates.

Until the historical relativism stuff, this was shaping up to be my favorite episode of Voyager yet--that one knocks it down a little, as do the not-well-thought-out motivations of the Kyrians. But I've found that, throughout Trek, when the actors get to play their characters as evil they seem to have a lot more fun, and that holds true here.

So it was a great episode, but it could have been a fantastic episode with a little bit up (gulp) revision.
 
I love this episode. I love the mirror episodes (Although this isn't a mirror universe it's a similar thing). When I watch this one I am always left thinking what will history say of us 700 years in the future. Evil Janeway was great. I also liked that you got to see a bit more of Seven as full Borg (I like the Borg, lol).
 
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It's a lot like the MU episodes in that everyone's both sadistic and hammy. It's amazing how the little touches, like the black turtlenecks and black gloves, make everyone seem so eeeevvvil.

It's all about accessorizing, isn't it?
 
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