Gowron turning greedy in DS9 (compared with TNG)

[DGCatAniSiri]

Gowron appeared in... what, ONE episode of TNG after coming to power in Redemption? In it, he had to be convinced that the clone Kahless was an important symbol for the empire, and only allowed it in a way that did not weaken his power. Gowron as we saw him in DS9 only continued the trend of him doing what he could to hold onto his power - he saw Martok as a threat and did what he could to weaken Martok's standing in the eyes of the Empire.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

You mean Gowron didn't murder K'Mpec?

Timo Saloniemi

It was never revealed exactly who had poisoned K'mpec, but Ronald D. Moore stated "Our intention was that Duras had poisoned him." (AOL chat, 1997)

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/K'mpec

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

The writers have intended things then changed their minds before. Unless it's actually established on screen, I say it's an unanswered question. And personally, I like the idea that it really was Gowron who poisoned K'mpec.

 

[GabeHimself]

DS9 did so much damage to the Klingons, it's not even funny. I didn't like how they made Gowron so power-drunk that he was doing stuff contrary to the greater good of the Empire, and making bad tactical choices, just to spite Worf... that was just simply stupid and silly.

Was he a weaselly politician, yes, because he was in politics, and wanted to be Emperor... but he DID have lots of honor in TNG. If he was truly dishonorable, he could have told Worf to frak off, after he and Kurn helped him defeat the Duras sisters, but he didn't... he kept true to his word to Worf, and restored the Mogh family honor.

And when he launched the invasion of Cardassia, he rightly felt that Worf had an obligation to him, which Worf really did, but Worf was really not in a position to honor that obligation, so Gowron rightly exacted his revenge for feeling betrayed by Worf.

But that doesn't mean that he was so blinded and stupid that he'd do dumb shit like divert entire battle groups to vulnerable areas, where they could be taken out, just because Worf said he should do otherwise... all that garbage about Martok needing to back up Worf's advice to Martok was absurd... that's like an Admiral in another country's navy having to back up the advice of one of our own Commanders to his Emperor... not only would it not happen, but it's a moot point, because what a non-flag Starfleet officer says would never make any difference, and because Worf's not a Klingon officer anymore... he's a Starfleet officer.

Meh same thing happened to Bush. He was elected a politician but still an honorable man-wanting the good for America. But, now as we all know, Bush the president has caused:
oil prices to rise
global warming
global cooling
climate change
war in iraq
war in Afghan.
war in Zimbabwe
more concussions in the NFL
ring around the collar
more advanced cases of hemorrhoids
Dutch Elm disease
and increased cases of premature ejaculation

the list just goes on an on, its good this monster is no longer president and now there's a real decision maker in the white house! That's the kind of hope and change American and Kronos needs!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Okay kids, stop with the real world politics, it's boring.

Klingons simply have variations, just as humans do. They talk about honour, but this doesn't mean they cannot be self-serving or do bad things. Worf stood out as honourable, but probably because due to living with humans he had a romanticised view of his people.

Gowron appeared reasonable in TNG, and to some extent in early DS9, but power must have got to his head in the end. Or in late DS9, his true colours surfaced.

I agree. I don't think DS9 damaged the Klingons so much as it showed them having an interesting range.

Worf, basically a good guy, but overdoing the Klingon thing as overcompensation for being raised on Earth.

Martok, an example of a decent Klingon type.

The Duras Sisters, examples of a less than decent Klingon type.

Gowron, and example of the hypocritical Klingon type who blathers about honor but has no compunction about doing dishonorable things. And even back in TNG, I got an iffy feeling about the guy.

 

[Red Ranger]

Gowron, as pointed out by several posters, was shady from the get-go. First, he tried to bribe K'Ehylar, and that was in his first appearance (Reunion). Second, he only accepted Worf and Kurn's help -- the backing of three Klingon squadrons -- when he had no choice, and only then did he give them their family honor (Redemption, Pt. I). Then, he omitted the Federation's role in helping him win the Klingon Civil War (Unification, Pt. I). So he was underhanded to a degree even before Deep Space Nine. Still, I liked Gowron because he was over-the-top.

Gowron appeared in... what, ONE episode of TNG after coming to power in Redemption? In it, he had to be convinced that the clone Kahless was an important symbol for the empire, and only allowed it in a way that did not weaken his power. Gowron as we saw him in DS9 only continued the trend of him doing what he could to hold onto his power - he saw Martok as a threat and did what he could to weaken Martok's standing in the eyes of the Empire.

Actually, Gowron appearef in four TNG eps: Reunion, Redemption, Pts. I & II, and Rightful Heir. He was mentioned by name, and his influence was felt, in Unification, Pt. I, when Worf revealed he had rewritten history to take credit for single-handedly winning the Klingon Civil War without the Federation's help.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Gowron appeared in... what, ONE episode of TNG after coming to power in Redemption? In it, he had to be convinced that the clone Kahless was an important symbol for the empire, and only allowed it in a way that did not weaken his power. Gowron as we saw him in DS9 only continued the trend of him doing what he could to hold onto his power - he saw Martok as a threat and did what he could to weaken Martok's standing in the eyes of the Empire.

Actually, Gowron appearef in four TNG eps: Reunion, Redemption, Pts. I & II, and Rightful Heir. He was mentioned by name, and his influence was felt, in Unification, Pt. I, when Worf revealed he had rewritten history to take credit for single-handedly winning the Klingon Civil War without the Federation's help.

I said 'one episode after coming to power in Redemption.' Which was Rightful Heir. The one occasion where we actually saw him after he'd taken the Chancellor's seat on TNG (For analytical purposes, I count two-parters as one episode). But you're right about Unification also establishing Gowron's tendency to change things to suit his purposes.