Buffy fans: Why was Adam received so harshly?

[CorporalClegg]

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No that was the first slayer. First slayer =/= Buffy the super layer.

That goes back to what I say about "Primeval" only being half an episode. There was a significant amount of exposition missing which only made it confusing as hell.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

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No that was the first slayer. First slayer =/= Buffy the super layer.

That goes back to what I say about "Primeval" only being half an episode. There was a significant amount of exposition missing which only made it confusing as hell.

no i mean the zombie walsh

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

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No that was the first slayer. First slayer =/= Buffy the super layer.

That goes back to what I say about "Primeval" only being half an episode. There was a significant amount of exposition missing which only made it confusing as hell.

no i mean the zombie walsh

bump

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

ok i just re-watched 'superstar' and adam has a great scene in it.

he's sitting at a PC and a vamp asks him 'what makes you so special?' adam replies with being awake and alive. he just seems so perceptive.

i guess the problem was he only appeared once in the whole ep.

what other great scenes did he have? i saw the one where buffy switched bodies a while ago.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

not many buffy fans on here?

 

[PsychoPere]

There are plenty of Buffy fans on this board. You simply asked a question to which there is no answer beyond: There are no "great" Adam scenes. Well, except for when he died, or his appearance in "Restless."

 

[label]

There are plenty of Buffy fans on this board. You simply asked a question to which there is no answer beyond: There are no "great" Adam scenes. Well, except for when he died, or his appearance in "Restless."

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to really even categorize him as the "big bad" really. You could argue the Initiative or Maggie was really the big bad and Adam (like Forrest would later become) was just a product of the real big bad.

 

[Dar70]

His floppy disk drive looks pretty dated now

Well the show was set in 2000 so isnt dated for the setting of the show.

 

[RoJoHen]

Obviously.

 

[PsychoPere]

Yeah, I mean, it's hard to really even categorize him as the "big bad" really. You could argue the Initiative or Maggie was really the big bad and Adam (like Forrest would later become) was just a product of the real big bad.

I generally consider the Initiative itself to be the "big bad" of season four. They involved themselves in supernatural events that they weren't prepared to handle, even if they did at times perform admirably in individual situations, leading to the deaths of many people, the perversion of several people into monsters, and probably new long-term issues for the Slayer to deal with. I don't usually consider Maggie Walsh the "big bad" since Project 314 didn't live up to her plans; if it had, she probably would've been. As it is, I mostly look at Walsh and Adam both as "little bads" and the hubris of the U.S. government (in the form of the Initiative) as the "big bad."

After all, they started up new military units to deal with supernatural threats not all that long after, showing they hadn't really learned anything...

(The scene at the end of "Primeval," in fact, is one of my favorites of the season, even though I generally think that the Initiative was a mixed bag in creative terms.)

Well the show was set in 2000 so isnt dated for the setting of the show.

Hmm, perhaps that is why he said the drive looks "pretty dated now." [emphasis added]

 

[Ethros]

^ Thank you, sir.


I do remember even at the time though, thinking it already looked a bit dated. He could have at least had a CD ROM drive.
Maybe his claws would scratch the discs?

 

[CorporalClegg]

On a side note: milk done that body good!

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Buffy had an intellectual audience?

To me, Adam never really felt like a major threat, certainly not on the level of Angel or Glory. Plus that whole Initiative plotline never appealed to me. I don't think it was as well-written as previous story arcs. The deus ex machina ending didn't help.

 

[ReadyAndWilling]

His floppy disk drive looks pretty dated now

Well the show was set in 2000 so isnt dated for the setting of the show.

even back then you could see floppy drives becoming out of date

 

[Forbin]

Heck, Airwolf used digital disks for its onboard computer 15 years before that!

 

[Vendikarr]

His floppy disk drive looks pretty dated now

Well the show was set in 2000 so isnt dated for the setting of the show.

even back then you could see floppy drives becoming out of date

Well the Inititiave was a government organization. They are always having to make do with old or obsolete technology. My cell phone has more computing power than the space shuttle.

 

[exodus]

On a side note: milk done that body good!

...and MARS bars are made right here on Earth.

 

[Forbin]

Well the show was set in 2000 so isnt dated for the setting of the show.

even back then you could see floppy drives becoming out of date

Well the Inititiave was a government organization. They are always having to make do with old or obsolete technology. My cell phone has more computing power than the space shuttle.

We're still using Win XP at my work (we're a gov't contractor)

 

[Hugo Rune]

WinXP?? We just upgraded to Windows 2000!!!

Love working for the government.

On topic however, the entire season is a mess of missed opportunities and ideas not thought through properly. But then, again, this was one of those moments where they didn't appear to have a proper PLAN B in mind. Mr Trick was supposed to be the Big Bad in season 3, but the Mayor was more fun to them, so they adapted. In season 4 the ability to adapt was scuppered by their main antagnoist leaving, and all that remained was a shell of an idea, The Initiative, which really hadn't been built up properly.

Still, Harsh Light of Day / Fear Itself / Pangs / Hush / Faith x 2 / Superstar / Restless all sit in the GREAT to GENIUS columns, with the remainder being, generally good solid fun. In fact, I find that regardless of the weak plot, antagonists and general themes, I find Season 4 has one major thing up its sleeve, and its something that the following seasons lack (though their themes and feel are very different)... Season 4 is by far and away the funniest season overall. So whilst I may pull a face at the some of the plot moves, the character beats and the funny they bring helps still make the season not only worthy, but damned rewatchable!

Even in absolute tosh like Living Conditions you have that wonderful scene between Buffy and Oz (a pairing that was never used enough in my opinion) and the bench. The humour and richness of the dialogue almost makes up for the sillyness of the plot.


Hugo - Nobody deserves mime, Buffy

 

[CorporalClegg]

Hey 2000 is the best operating system Microsoft ever made. Don't let the XP people fool you.