But he's got such a pretty mouth.
Does Janeway hate Harry Kim?
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Not too me.
Tom never learned the refined art of shutting the fuck up.
But he's got such a pretty mouth.
Squeal like a Tellarite!
Thankfully Starfleet adopted a similar approach with Janeway when she returned to the AQ, putting her behind a desk, and away from the captain's chair.......!
Unfortunately this opinion isn't supported according to Chakotay in "Shattered", who describes Harry as one of their most valued and important Officers.
Unfortunately this opinion isn't supported according to Chakotay in "Shattered", who describes Harry as one of their most valued and important Officers.
Is this the same bastion of judgement Chakotay who allowed his crew to be infiltrated by not one, but two undercover operatives simultaneously......?
Yes, the the same Chakotay that told us the reason why folks like Suder are allowed to join a terrorist group is because they're not exactly in the position to run back ground checks. Wanting to kill Cardies was pretty much the only requirement to join. He was always right about B'Elanna.Unfortunately this opinion isn't supported according to Chakotay in "Shattered", who describes Harry as one of their most valued and important Officers.
Is this the same bastion of judgement Chakotay who allowed his crew to be infiltrated by not one, but two undercover operatives simultaneously......?
i don't think so since some of my favourite episodes feature him prominently, such as timeless and workforce, and he did some brilliant space battling in the latter. he was designed as a somewhat naive, unconfident and credulous character, and those qualities which he never lost aboard voyager just didn't justify a promotion, and more responsibility for the lifes of others. he was no leader personality, but bloody good at doing what he was told to do. i guess wang did a good job acting like the writers intented, and unlike beltran, he knew he was a limited actor. his character development, adventures, and love affairs can't of course keep up with say young doctor bashir who developed from an obscure medic to a member of the federation's war council, advisor and ethical overseer of admirals, blueprint of an advanced emh, nemesis of section 31, saviour of the founders, turning genetically improved, and lover of the most beautiful and smartest women of star trek. i don't want to start with sisko now, just point out that kim was quite credible a character.
Yes, the the same Chakotay that told us the reason why folks like Suder are allowed to join a terrorist group is because they're not exactly in the position to run back ground checks. Wanting to kill Cardies was pretty much the only requirement to join. He was always right about B'Elanna.Unfortunately this opinion isn't supported according to Chakotay in "Shattered", who describes Harry as one of their most valued and important Officers.
Is this the same bastion of judgement Chakotay who allowed his crew to be infiltrated by not one, but two undercover operatives simultaneously......?
Surely the lack of background checks makes good judgement all the more important?!
B'Elanna - a 1 in 3 ratio of picking 'good uns'!
Yes, the the same Chakotay that told us the reason why folks like Suder are allowed to join a terrorist group is because they're not exactly in the position to run back ground checks. Wanting to kill Cardies was pretty much the only requirement to join. He was always right about B'Elanna.Is this the same bastion of judgement Chakotay who allowed his crew to be infiltrated by not one, but two undercover operatives simultaneously......?
Surely the lack of background checks makes good judgement all the more important?!
Are we hiring for an organization of outlaws or Dunkin Donuts?
Having good judgement isn't going to detect a spy, if it did they'd be pretty piss poor spies.
The Voyager writers really didn't get it.
Farmers.
Decent people working the land.
Pushed.
Evicted.
Hounded.
Tortured.
They're mad as hell and they're not going to take it no more!
That was DS9.
Voyager said however that the Maquis was solely staffed by psychopaths, criminals and murderers looking for an excuse to get their kicks, because there's no reason that ordinary decent people would ever be pushed into being terrorists even if every one and the government is out to get them.
Imagine Mexico took BACK Texas tomorrow and sure they agreed to look after the gringos that wanted to stay, but really if they were coerced into leaving of their own free accord, well then that land can be appropriated for decent full blooded Mexican taxpayers.
How many nights are you going to wake up with your barn burning down or dead cattle on your doorstep before you get the point that you're not welcome inyour own home anymore?
Because you know how meek they are in Texas.
Farmers.
Decent people working the land.
Pushed.
Evicted.
Hounded.
Tortured.
They're mad as hell and they're not going to take it no more!
That was DS9.
Voyager said however that the Maquis was solely staffed by psychopaths, criminals and murderers looking for an excuse to get their kicks, because there's no reason that ordinary decent people would ever be pushed into being terrorists even if every one and the government is out to get them.
Imagine Mexico took BACK Texas tomorrow and sure they agreed to look after the gringos that wanted to stay, but really if they were coerced into leaving of their own free accord, well then that land can be appropriated for decent full blooded Mexican taxpayers.
How many nights are you going to wake up with your barn burning down or dead cattle on your doorstep before you get the point that you're not welcome inyour own home anymore?
Because you know how meek they are in Texas.
Are we hiring for an organization of outlaws or Dunkin Donuts?
Having good judgement isn't going to detect a spy, if it did they'd be pretty piss poor spies.
Well of course Tuvok wasn't actually a spy, plus he was Vulcan, which would, I imagine, make it harder for him to pull off the 'covert' routine.
Whahaha, I could play this pedant card all day!
Spock does it all the time.
Spock's half-human, and we're extremely good at subterfuge.....
Harry shares no less distinction than the other officers. He was also Tom's sidekick and what we could say for Tom we might say for Harry and vice-versa. So, why was Harry just a ensign?
Some people just naturally look small. He died in Season One with 'Emanations'. It took genius on his part to return to Voyager and the doctor managed to revive him. He is the only one who is not him. In 'Deadlock' in Season Two the ship splits in two. He is thrust into outer space and dies in Voyager #1- he is replaced by the Harry Kim in Voyager #2. Perhaps for these reasons Harry is not a Lieutenant.
Some people just naturally look small. He died in Season One with 'Emanations'. It took genius on his part to return to Voyager and the doctor managed to revive him. He is the only one who is not him. In 'Deadlock' in Season Two the ship splits in two. He is thrust into outer space and dies in Voyager #1- he is replaced by the Harry Kim in Voyager #2. Perhaps for these reasons Harry is not a Lieutenant.
In emanations he tried to debunk a religion because it didn't make sense on a possibly prewarp world.
Loads of reasons.
Loads of reasons.
Given Janeway's flexible interpretation of the PD, I'm surprised he wasn't rewarded with instant promotion to general dogsbody!
Depends if there's room for advancement. You know like if a 1/5 of the crew died in transit to the dq and we saw almost 30 people leave or die on camera in canon during the 7 year mission home, and supposedly another 23 people were going to die if Admiral Janeway hadn't decided to impose her will on the situation.
But the affirmative action putting Maquis into key positions to stop them rioting, mutinying, raping, murdering and being just generally surly must have frakked with harry's chances... Especially since the Maquis were being promoted from one imaginary rank to a completely another imaginary rank which would have no impact on the AQ once Janeway delivered her cargo to the penal colony in New Zealand.
But the affirmative action putting Maquis into key positions to stop them rioting, mutinying, raping, murdering and being just generally surly must have frakked with harry's chances... Especially since the Maquis were being promoted from one imaginary rank to a completely another imaginary rank which would have no impact on the AQ once Janeway delivered her cargo to the penal colony in New Zealand.
Exactly.
..but most of us are wise enough to know that ones race has nothing to do with how well they can perform their jobs.
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