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True Grit remake

I don't know, the "Trash!" comment she made at the guy seemed like the words of an embittered person. I described her as hateful in that scene, in a large part due to that comment. It just seemed she was just taking a shot to take a shot.

After watching the 69 version again, I guess I'm agreeing more with those who said the 2010 version is darker. The events are mostly the same, but they definitely take a little lighter tone with the Wayne version. But again, that lighter tone, IMHO, revolves a LOT around the ending.
 
I said she was "embittered" at the end because that's the way I saw her a mean old-maid permanently disfigured with little joy in her life. It's one thing for her to be a angsty, precocious, teenage girl. It's a whole other thing to be a snappish middle-aged woman.

In a way she kind-of reminded me of the mean, bitter, rich-bitch mom in "Little House on the Prairie."
 
Best western I've seen since Unforgiven. Jeff Bridges' performance was way better than John Wayne's original and I liked Wayne's performance. Matt Damon, of course, blows Glenn Campbell's performance off the screen. The kid who played Mattie was great and she had almost as big shoes to fill as the other two from a purely acting standpoint. The young woman in the original was pretty good.

I liked the ending a lot. Agree with those who have said that it gave us a look at just what seeing the kind of carnage she saw at such a young age affected her.

Loved the Coen's dialogue. That kind slightly stilted speech especially coming out the mouths of obviously hardened men and children is fascinating to me.
 
I don't know, the "Trash!" comment she made at the guy seemed like the words of an embittered person. I described her as hateful in that scene, in a large part due to that comment. It just seemed she was just taking a shot to take a shot.

After watching the 69 version again, I guess I'm agreeing more with those who said the 2010 version is darker. The events are mostly the same, but they definitely take a little lighter tone with the Wayne version. But again, that lighter tone, IMHO, revolves a LOT around the ending.

Yeah, I thought that comment was uncalled for. All the guy did was tell her what happened to Rooster. She just decided to make it personal with her comment.
 
^ I thought she was admonishing the sitting guy for not standing up when bidding a lady farewell.
 
^ I thought she was admonishing the sitting guy for not standing up when bidding a lady farewell.

Yeah that's what I thought too, but again that reaction by her showed me an "embittered" (or whatever you word you want to use) person. Which takes me back to my sense of a depressing ending, but it seems nothing good really happens for her.

In the Wayne version, while she still had the quest for justice (or revenge if you prefer), she didn't seem as bitter in the end, and that negative, depressing future wasn't necessarily set in stone. One could imagine her moving on with her life and getting past the incident.
 
^ I thought she was admonishing the sitting guy for not standing up when bidding a lady farewell.

Exactly, and it also expresses some of her rigid sense of right and wrong, showing contempt for criminal and killer Frank James who most thought never paid for his crimes.

--Justin
 
^ I thought she was admonishing the sitting guy for not standing up when bidding a lady farewell.

Exactly, and it also expresses some of her rigid sense of right and wrong, showing contempt for criminal and killer Frank James who most thought never paid for his crimes.

--Justin

Yeah, she was calling FRANK JAMES trash. Not just some guy, but a killer and a thief who is now trading on his fame.

I think we would all call Charles Manson something if we saw him backstage of a show where he was making a living talking about his crimes.

I don't think she's embittered at all. She's rigid, to be sure. But, why embittered? She should be skipping through life? I don't get that. Why does a revenge film need to end happily?
 
I don't think she's embittered at all. She's rigid, to be sure. But, why embittered? She should be skipping through life? I don't get that. Why does a revenge film need to end happily?

Why does it have to be so grim? I mean she didn't need to be "happy skipping through life" but she didn't need to be a stone-faced old-maid either.

I think the Coens should have gone for boldness and against the grain and had her a LeBouf hook-up. (Again, I've no idea what occurs in the book) It would've shocked and disturbed modern-day sensibilities but also mostly jived with some of the more subtle hints going on the whole movie (and with the marital ethics of the era.)

But she went from a precocious, world-wise, fast-talking teenage girl who made a grown man three times her age rue dealing with her to this sour-faced old woman with a fairly short sense of sense of etiquette? It doesn't flow to me. Hell, her being properly dressed in Victorian clothing at the end didn't seem to follow what we learned about her during the course of the movie.

Losing an arm I'm sure is a tragic thing that's going to knock anyone off their game but she goes from a young girl a century beyond her years to just being a crazy old bat. Doesn't wash in my mind. It was too far to an extreme (and it may have just been how the actress portrayed her that it came across like this.) She didn't need to be in pretty pink clothes with a parasol talking with a sweet Southern Belle drawl, but she didn't need to be some batty old crone either.

The way Mattie was played by the excellent young actress was a perfect balance of "sweet, naive, typical 19th century teenage girl" and "precocious bitch who needed a good woopin'." The actress at the end didn't have that balance.

But, yeah, I think the Coens should've really fucked with people's minds and had Mattie and LaBeouf hook-up at the end.

Not necessarily show Damon and the young girl together in any sense just show an aged-Damon together with the older version of Mattie with a kid in tow all going to meet-up again with Rooster and have Mattie V/O how her and LaBeouf fell in love, got married and he was a good husband to her as they found a home in Texas.

That would've been a gutsy ending.
 
I don't think she's embittered at all. She's rigid, to be sure. But, why embittered? She should be skipping through life? I don't get that. Why does a revenge film need to end happily?

Why does it have to be so grim? I mean she didn't need to be "happy skipping through life" but she didn't need to be a stone-faced old-maid either.

Revenge has a cost, I think it is simple as that. Having "true grit" has a cost.

I think the Coens should have gone for boldness and against the grain and had her a LeBouf hook-up. (Again, I've no idea what occurs in the book) It would've shocked and disturbed modern-day sensibilities but also mostly jived with some of the more subtle hints going on the whole movie (and with the marital ethics of the era.)

Honestly, I think that would be a lame attempt at boldness and shocking for shocking sake.

I think it was MORE bold for them (and disturbing) to have the ending that they did. Consider your OWN reaction. You're disturbed. You're upset. People are talking about the ending.

But she went from a precocious, world-wise, fast-talking teenage girl who made a grown man three times her age rue dealing with her to this sour-faced old woman with a fairly short sense of sense of etiquette?

You mean etiquette towards a killer and thief?

That precocious, world-wise, fasting talking teenager has an EXPERIENCE that forever changed her. Sorry it didn't change her into something you wanted. But that world wise girl killed a man, lost a father, lost an arm, lost a horse she dearly loved.

I think that's going to put a twist on your view of the world.

It doesn't flow to me. Hell, her being properly dressed in Victorian clothing at the end didn't seem to follow what we learned about her during the course of the movie.

It did follow. She wears clothes appropriate to what she's doing.

Losing an arm I'm sure is a tragic thing that's going to knock anyone off their game but she goes from a young girl a century beyond her years to just being a crazy old bat. Doesn't wash in my mind. It was too far to an extreme (and it may have just been how the actress portrayed her that it came across like this.) She didn't need to be in pretty pink clothes with a parasol talking with a sweet Southern Belle drawl, but she didn't need to be some batty old crone either.

Ok, you're gonna have to explain "crazy old bat" and "batty old crone." What do you mean? HOW was she batty?

Because she was stern? Because she was rude to Frank James?

How was she "batty?"

The way Mattie was played by the excellent young actress was a perfect balance of "sweet, naive, typical 19th century teenage girl" and "precocious bitch who needed a good woopin'." The actress at the end didn't have that balance.

That actress was also playing a character 25 years later AFTER a particular adventure that changed her life and who knows what else happened to her.

But, yeah, I think the Coens should've really fucked with people's minds and had Mattie and LaBeouf hook-up at the end.

What sense would THAT make, other than "fucking" with people's minds? If that had happened, wouldn't you be complaining about that? How that doesn't "follow?"

Not necessarily show Damon and the young girl together in any sense just show an aged-Damon together with the older version of Mattie with a kid in tow all going to meet-up again with Rooster and have Mattie V/O how her and LaBeouf fell in love, got married and he was a good husband to her as they found a home in Texas.

That would've been a gutsy ending.

No. It would have been just a Hollywood Romantic Happy Ending.

How would it have been "gutsy" to have her married off? That's been done again and again and again...
 
^ I thought she was admonishing the sitting guy for not standing up when bidding a lady farewell.

Exactly, and it also expresses some of her rigid sense of right and wrong, showing contempt for criminal and killer Frank James who most thought never paid for his crimes.

--Justin

Yeah, she was calling FRANK JAMES trash. Not just some guy, but a killer and a thief who is now trading on his fame.

I think we would all call Charles Manson something if we saw him backstage of a show where he was making a living talking about his crimes.

I don't think she's embittered at all. She's rigid, to be sure. But, why embittered? She should be skipping through life? I don't get that. Why does a revenge film need to end happily?

Is that who it was? Okay, at least that makes sense. I know who Frank James is now but I'm sure that went over the head of a lot of people.

Still, I don't think the epilogue added up to much.
 
I think the Coens should have gone for boldness and against the grain and had her a LeBouf hook-up. (Again, I've no idea what occurs in the book) It would've shocked and disturbed modern-day sensibilities but also mostly jived with some of the more subtle hints going on the whole movie (and with the marital ethics of the era.)

I don't know what subtle hints you saw, but it was pretty plain to me that Mattie didn't like Texans and didn't particularly care for LaBoeuf. He certainly came through for her in the end, for which she was rightfully grateful, but there was no romantic spark. With his cockiness and big spurs and flashy ivory-handled revolvers he didn't really fit with her conservative Presbyterian outlook.

But she went from a precocious, world-wise, fast-talking teenage girl who made a grown man three times her age rue dealing with her to this sour-faced old woman with a fairly short sense of sense of etiquette? It doesn't flow to me. Hell, her being properly dressed in Victorian clothing at the end didn't seem to follow what we learned about her during the course of the movie.

Of course it followed. Her sense of etiquette wasn't short, she just spoke her mind when a crummy old outlaw didn't stand up for a lady, which was a convention in society at the time. Her clothing was completely appropriate for a grown woman, especially one managing business interest such as she'd inherited. It would have been stupid for her to be wearing something other than proper lady's attire.

Losing an arm I'm sure is a tragic thing that's going to knock anyone off their game but she goes from a young girl a century beyond her years to just being a crazy old bat.

"Crazy old bat?" Come on. I'm with Professor Zoom on the rest of it.

Is that who it was? Okay, at least that makes sense. I know who Frank James is now but I'm sure that went over the head of a lot of people.

Well his name was on the handbill and Cole Younger introduced him by name, but you're right, that name probably doesn't mean much to a lot of people nowadays.

--Justin
 
Exactly, and it also expresses some of her rigid sense of right and wrong, showing contempt for criminal and killer Frank James who most thought never paid for his crimes.

--Justin

Yeah, she was calling FRANK JAMES trash. Not just some guy, but a killer and a thief who is now trading on his fame.

I think we would all call Charles Manson something if we saw him backstage of a show where he was making a living talking about his crimes.

I don't think she's embittered at all. She's rigid, to be sure. But, why embittered? She should be skipping through life? I don't get that. Why does a revenge film need to end happily?

Is that who it was? Okay, at least that makes sense. I know who Frank James is now but I'm sure that went over the head of a lot of people.

Still, I don't think the epilogue added up to much.

Yeah, I didn't pick up that the guy was Frank James either. Was he wearing a "Hello my name is..." tag?
 
Yeah, I didn't pick up that the guy was Frank James either. Was he wearing a "Hello my name is..." tag?

Addressed above. His name was printed on the handbill Mattie was looking at and then he was introduced to her by name.

--Justin
 
I think it was MORE bold for them (and disturbing) to have the ending that they did. Consider your OWN reaction. You're disturbed. You're upset...

Uh,

I won't speak for anyone else, but I don't spend money to go to a movie to be disturbed and upset. Why would anyone want that?
 
I think it was MORE bold for them (and disturbing) to have the ending that they did. Consider your OWN reaction. You're disturbed. You're upset...

Uh,

I won't speak for anyone else, but I don't spend money to go to a movie to be disturbed and upset. Why would anyone want that?

He was asking for a "disturbing" end. Or a "bold" ending to the movie. I was replying to that.

I don't actually think the end of the movie was disturbing. Or either unsettling. Or even depressing.

I liked the ending of the movie. I felt it was very fitting.
 
If the ending had gone the way I'm suggesting it would've only been "bold" and "disturbing" as it would upset modern-day sensibilities. I wouldn't of had a problem with it (as I already said I thought that's where they were going with it) but I'm sure many would've been bothered by it. The epilogue as it is now is just... Well it's nothing. I'm not even entirely sure why it is needed. The ending as it is now isn't disturbing or anything it's just "blah" and unsatisfactory to me.

She goes on to become a mean old crone. Yawn. A better ending would've been to see the townspeople lay Mattie down on her bed, have her look down to see the doctor, or whomever, beginning to remove her dead arm then she looks over out the door to see Rooster walking off in the night. As he walks the VO says "That was the last I ever saw or heard of Rooster nor did I ever hear of Mr. LeBeouf again either but Rooster I suspect lived on to continue being the man he was yadda yadda..." As soon as Rooster's out of eye-shot (concealed by either snow, terrain, or dark of night) we fade to black, credits.

The epilogue I don't feel was needed or added anything. And it may have even taken a little bit away from the movie.

Still a good flick, I liked it, worth watching once. Not a movie I'll likely watch again, however.
 
You know maybe it's a sign of my age or something, but I guess I prefer my movies to have somewhat a of happy ending/positive resolution. It doesn't have to be "And they lived happily ever after" but something a little better than this ending is preferred by me. In that respect, I think the 69 adaptation beat this one all to hell.
 
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