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True Grit remake

Well "hatefull" was perhaps too strong of a word to describe her, but she certainly wasn't "warm and fuzzy."

I suppose I preferred the vision of John Wayne jumping his horse over a fence saying something to the effect of "Well, come see a fat old man sometime!" as opposed to what we last saw of Rooster in the new version.
 
I watched the original movie last night, and I guess I'm just a hopeless Wayne fan, because as good as the new film was, I till like the 69 version a LOT better. And that's not a diss of the 2010 version, it IS a very good movie. But I just gotta give it up for the Duke. With either film, you really can't go wrong.
 
In regards to Ford, he sort of get another western in the upcoming Cowboys and Aliens movie.

I saw both True Grit movies, still have to like John Wayne's version; then again I always liked John Wayne movies. One of the more interesting ones I recently saw was Island in Sky, which was an interesting movie.
 
The epilogue was needed as it showed the effect the violent world that Maddie entered into had on her.
 
Ditching the main actor has advantages and disadvantages; obviously, if it's vital that your story include a closing bit in the future, then you do it. But the epilogue here tells us nothing of interest - she never saw either of them again (which is kind of unsatisfying, dramatically; I'd much rather see some kind of resolution to the character relationships), Rooster dies, she has his body moved. So what? It doesn't feel like it says much about them.
 
I saw this movie Yesterday, and taking into the fact that I have not seen the first one, I really liked this movie. The actress who played Mattie was really impressive and I think deserves an Oscar consideration and Bridges was also fantastic. This was pretty much a common Coen Brothers film (Of which I feel like I've seen many of in 2010 with Fargo and The Big Lebowski for the first time) and there were some great fun bits as well as drama and tension.

As for the epiloge, like I said I haven't seen the John Wayne film (Actually haven't seen any John Wayne film which is probably something I should do) but I didn't mind it. It felt like an obvious progression of the film and made it more complete. Perhaps if I had gone in seeing the original first my opinion of it might have been different but on it's own marits I really liked this one and would rank it in the 5 best films I saw in 2010.
 
But the epilogue here tells us nothing of interest - she never saw either of them again (which is kind of unsatisfying, dramatically; I'd much rather see some kind of resolution to the character relationships), Rooster dies, she has his body moved. So what? It doesn't feel like it says much about them.
- Though he drove himself to exhaustion in order to save her, Rooster vanished before she could even thank (let alone pay) him

- LaBeef (sp?) disappeared also, not to be heard from again

- Mattie paid for her relentless bloodlust (Rooster and LaBeef would probably have done a pretty good job of getting the baddies themselves) with the loss of an arm and a lonely life.

"Nothing of interest?" :wtf:
 
None of that requires going 25 years into the future; I'd much rather have seen a present-day wrap-up with the same actress.

I find that I rarely find the way the Coens end their films to be completely satisfactory.
 
But the epilogue here tells us nothing of interest - she never saw either of them again (which is kind of unsatisfying, dramatically; I'd much rather see some kind of resolution to the character relationships), Rooster dies, she has his body moved. So what? It doesn't feel like it says much about them.
- Though he drove himself to exhaustion in order to save her, Rooster vanished before she could even thank (let alone pay) him

- LaBeef (sp?) disappeared also, not to be heard from again

- Mattie paid for her relentless bloodlust (Rooster and LaBeef would probably have done a pretty good job of getting the baddies themselves) with the loss of an arm and a lonely life.

"Nothing of interest?" :wtf:

Good film up to that point. This ending just seemed to be depressing for the sake of being depressing. The way the Wayne version ended was much more satisfying.

EDIT TO ADD: For anyone who cares, the blu-ray version of the original movie looks awesome. Very well done.
 
I haven't seen the John Wayne film (Actually haven't seen any John Wayne film which is probably something I should do)....

If nothing else, you should check out the films he made with John Ford, especially "the Searchers," the "calvary" films and, even though it isn't a western, "the Quiet Man."

All classics in their own right and required viewing for any devotee of film.
 
None of that requires going 25 years into the future; I'd much rather have seen a present-day wrap-up with the same actress.
- Mattie paid for her relentless bloodlust (Rooster and LaBeef would probably have done a pretty good job of getting the baddies themselves) with the loss of an arm and a lonely life.

:confused:

Agreed. I think the epilogue is important.

The cost of revenge and True Grit. The cost wouldn't have seemed like much if we saw her the next morning. This "adventure" affected her whole life.

And I don't mind it being depressing. I don't think it SHOULD be a happy ending. So, she killed the guy that killed her father. What did it gain? What did it cost? The scales didn't move.

I think it's an interesting movie about the cost of revenge.
 
But the epilogue here tells us nothing of interest - she never saw either of them again (which is kind of unsatisfying, dramatically; I'd much rather see some kind of resolution to the character relationships), Rooster dies, she has his body moved. So what? It doesn't feel like it says much about them.

Really? As I said above, the fact that she has Rooster re-interred with her family speaks volumes. The only man she really respected in the film was her honorable and upstanding father, and she put the disreputable Rooster on a near-equal footing with him after death. That's huge, especially in that place and time.

- Mattie paid for her relentless bloodlust (Rooster and LaBeef would probably have done a pretty good job of getting the baddies themselves) with the loss of an arm and a lonely life.

My impressions are a little different. I would make a distinction between what we normally call "bloodlust," which implies an uncontrolled or unreasoning impulse to violence, and what Mattie was doing, which was pursuing justice. Justice according to her personal code, a kind of Old Testament, eye-for-an-eye settling of accounts, but not simple revenge.

Mattie thrived on the law, she was always standing on legal principle and dropping her lawyer's name everywhere. It's only when she sees that there's a good chance that Chaney will go scot-free that she takes things into her own hands. She found a lawman with proper jurisdiction instead of a bounty hunter or hired gun. She said she would kill Chaney only if the law failed to do so. It is true she insisted that he be brought back to Arkansas rather than to Texas with LaBoeuf, but I think that was partly out of her sense of jurisdictional propriety and partly that she trusted Judge Parker over the Texas courts to hang Chaney.

As for her life being lonely, that may or may not have been the case. She never married, but I think that had more to do with the fundamentals of her personality than with the events of the movie. She was independent, outspoken and stubborn and was interested in what at the time was men's business rather than "woman's work." She could also be judgmental and condescending. I think there was a good chance that she would never have married even if the events of the movies hadn't taken place.

She may have been lonely, but I think that it was more important to her that she be content that she had done her duty, whatever the cost.

[I must admit that some of my opinion here is probably influenced by the book, where IIRC Mattie is content in looking after her business affairs and going to church and suspected any suitors were after her money.]

I find that I rarely find the way the Coens end their films to be completely satisfactory.

Yeah, I remember some lengthy discussions here about the ending of No Country for Old Men (which I loved). It seems to be a polarizing aspect of some of their movies.

And I don't mind it being depressing. I don't think it SHOULD be a happy ending. So, she killed the guy that killed her father. What did it gain? What did it cost? The scales didn't move.

She thought the scales were balanced, and that is all that was important to her. I don't think she ever would have questioned if it was "worth it." Of course it was. It's who she was, she couldn't not do it. If she regrets anything, it's more that she wasn't a better friend to the man who saved her life.

If there's a question I think it's more "What price justice?" than "What price revenge?" But mostly I think it's just a great story about a bunch of interesting stuff that happened to a woman with a peculiar and singularly strong-willed personality.

YMMV, of course!

--Justin
 
The ending of No Country for Old Men is exactly how it was in the book so in that case it's not really a Coen Brothers ending.
 
True Grit

Rated: PG-13

Running Time: About 2 Hours.

My Grade: B-

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True Grit, contrary to popular belief, is a re-telling of a popular novel that was previous adapted into a movie forty years ago staring John Wayne. Calling this adaption of the previous movie a "remake" is mostly dishonest. It's just another version of the book adapted to move form and is no more a "remake" of the John Wayne classic than the umpteenth movie-version of Hamlet is a remake of the previous movie based on the famous play. Got it? We clear? Good.

I've never seen the John Wayne version so I went in with no delusions of what to expect or compare based on that front but I did, however, have some expectations when going into a Coen Brothers movie. The Coens are probably best known for doing somewhat off-beat drama/comedies like Fargo, O' Brother Where Art Thou? and The Big Lebowski. Not that I went into this movie expecting it to have as many "comedic elements" as those other movies had but I did go in with a certain expectation of what a Coen Brothers movie is like and this movie is a diversion from that style. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

The movie starts off with a teenage (barely) girl arriving in Stock Wester Town C to claim the body of her father recently shot and robbed by a man he took under his wing as hired-help. The girl, Mattie, intends to track down her father's killer and bring him to justice. To do so she hires the help of a U.S. Marshal known a "Rooster" who has a questionable direction of professional ethics but is otherwise capable of tracking the killer down though he's reluctant to bring the 14-year-old Mattie along no matter how much she insists. Also seeking this man is another U.S. Marshal wishing to bring the killer back to Texas to pay for crime of murdering a state official. Mattie prefers that the man they seek be tried, and hung, for the death of her father in her home state. Never the less the trio (Mattie, Rooster, and LaBoeuf) set-off to do their jobs reluctantly bringing the barely pubescent girl along.

There's interesting conversations, stop-overs and such to be had along the way but it's, sadly, not nearly as interesting as it probably could've been given who we're talking about here in making this movie. Some of the more interesting scenes in O' Brother are the "sit and talk" scenes between the trio of escaped cons. This movie doesn't quite have that and any dialogue is hampered by the overly gruff and mumbly way Bridges is portraying his grizzled US Marshal character.

Bridges is an excellent actor and turns in a great performance here but many of his lines are simply just hard to understand as just over-does the grumbled, chaw-mouthed talk of this hardened, one-eyed, Marshal. Matt Damon does a good job as the Texas Ranger LaBeouf and is, sadly, probably bit underused.

The actress playing Mattie, mostly in an introductory role for her, does a good job too as a young girl surprisingly capable of fending for herself and operating in an Old West South not likely cotton to precocious young women.

Most of the interesting scenes occur early in the movie, before the trio set-off, involving Mattie and her ways of try and get by and operate in a man's world and along the road there's also plenty of scenes with her too this will certainly be an actress to watch in the coming years.

And if there's one thing the Coen Brothers can do and do damn well is cinematography and music. Both of which are great in this movie as many shots, looks, and sounds in this movie certainly feels very "Western" it's at the very least a beautiful movie to look at. But it misses a certain "spark" that the Coens are known for and not that every movie they do has to be off-beat but this movie needed a bit more spark and "something" to it. And Bridge's otherwise excellent performance is harmed by simply not being able to understand half of the damn things he says.

Is the movie worth seeing? I'd probably lean to "yes" on that question but it isn't a movie you should rush out and see as soon as possible (even though I suspect it'll get some Oscar nods for at least Bridges and Steinfeld (Mattie) and some technical nods (Cinematography, mostly) but it's a movie that's probably best watched at home on DVD, rental, OnDemand or whatever your game is.

Whatever you do, do not going into this movie thinking of other Coen Brother "cult classics" like Lebowski and Fargo as it just misses that "spark." It's a very straight, very mundane, slow-paced western. The kind of Western that'd be shown on AMC at 1 PM on Sunday that your sexagenarian dad has to watch every time he sees it. That's not a bad thing, mind you, just probably not what most would be expecting when it's the Coen Brothers. I wasn't expecting Bridge's character to light-up a J and say "man" a lot, necessarily but I just expected something a little different and maybe a bit more fast-paced.

Good movie, worth seeing once, but not one you've got to see right away.
 
The ending of No Country for Old Men is exactly how it was in the book so in that case it's not really a Coen Brothers ending.

That's true, the two movies they adapt most closely from literary sources seem to be two where a lot of people don't care for the endings.

--Justin
 
I honestly half-expected LaBeouf and Mattie to hook-up/marry at the end of the film. (And it wasn't too uncommon for older men to marry young women/teenagers back then.) There were some scenes that seemed to want to hint at that idea.

I didn't much like the rather gruesome idea at the ending of Mattie losing an arm and her becoming an old, embittered, ugly old-maid too didn't seem to "fit" for me and wasn't a satisfying ending given everything we'd been through with her and the other characters through the movie.
 
I honestly half-expected LaBeouf and Mattie to hook-up/marry at the end of the film. (And it wasn't too uncommon for older men to marry young women/teenagers back then.) There were some scenes that seemed to want to hint at that idea.

I didn't much like the rather gruesome idea at the ending of Mattie losing an arm and her becoming an old, embittered, ugly old-maid too didn't seem to "fit" for me and wasn't a satisfying ending given everything we'd been through with her and the other characters through the movie.

Yeah, I thought they were hinting at that too. It's creepy but back then, it was a lot more common. She does note at the end that she wouldn't mind seeing LeBeouf again.

It is sad to see Mattie become someone described as embittered.
 
True Grit, contrary to popular belief, is a re-telling of a popular novel that was previous adapted into a movie forty years ago staring John Wayne. Calling this adaption of the previous movie a "remake" is mostly dishonest. It's just another version of the book adapted to move form and is no more a "remake" of the John Wayne classic than the umpteenth movie-version of Hamlet is a remake of the previous movie based on the famous play. Got it? We clear? Good.
Uh, yeah... we got that six pages ago... :p

It's a "re-adaptation".
 
It is sad to see Mattie become someone described as embittered.
I don't know that I'd describe her as "embittered" at the end, or that it's a big consequence of the finale - her demeanour seems pretty consistent with the kid we first meet: business-like and straightforward, little humour (apart from barbs directed at people who annoy her). It's just now that she's a 40ish woman rather than a cute little kid, so the same behaviour comes across differently.
 
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