Eugenics Wars.

[EJA]

Ah, but Torchwood doesn't exist in the Trekverse.

So when Joachim looked 15 when he was really 10, did the same go for all the other children? Like I said, the way they're described in the book makes it sound as though they look their true age.

 

[Timo]

Ah, but Torchwood doesn't exist in the Trekverse.

That's what they want you to think. Which ought to be proof enough: if there were Torchwood, you wouldn't know about it. Unless you looked hot and had issues and thus qualified for internship.

So when Joachim looked 15 when he was really 10

Was that in an "Oh, spooky, there's weird science at work!" sense, or in an "Oh, what a deliciously well-developed child... I wish I'd looked as good at that age!" sense, though? It's not exactly a superman quality, but more an eye-of-the-beholder thing...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[EJA]

So when Joachim looked 15 when he was really 10

Was that in an "Oh, spooky, there's weird science at work!" sense, or in an "Oh, what a deliciously well-developed child... I wish I'd looked as good at that age!" sense, though? It's not exactly a superman quality, but more an eye-of-the-beholder thing...

Timo Saloniemi

It was definitely a case of the former.

 

[Christopher]

^Necessarily so, since Joachim couldn't have been more than 18 Earth years in TWOK (going by Okudachron dating), and yet was played by a 30-year-old actor.

 

[EJA]

So what about the other kids, Astrid Ericcson, et al? Did the same go for them?

 

[Christopher]

^Again, implicitly it must have, because Khan's people appeared to be adults in the film, but they were too young and too uniformly Aryan to be the same people as the ethnically diverse Augments seen in "Space Seed." Therefore they must have been born on Ceti Alpha V, therefore they must all be under 18 standard years of chronological age, and therefore they must all have developed faster than a non-Augment would.

 

[kkozoriz1]

Or we didn't see all the people that were rescued on the Botany Bay and there were some children on it as well.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Several of Khan's blond young men seen on "Star Trek II" were portrayed by male strippers from the Chippendales, so they were definitely over 18. Google "Deney Terrio" and his team, or "Brett Baxter Clark" (aka Nick the Dick in "Bachelor Party").

 

[JD]

Seriously? That's funny.

 

[Greg Cox]

Yeah, the accelerated aging thing was basically a band-aid I whipped up to make the dates work, just like I had to wave my hands a bit to explain why all of Khan's followers in the movie were blond Aryan types when they weren't in "Space Seed." At this late date, my memories are fuzzy, but I believe Astrid and her bunch were basically the same age as Joachim and his peers, so they would have been younger than they looked as well . . . .

 

[Therin of Andor]

Seriously? That's funny.

Seriously. And poor ol' Judson Scott gets convention questions that start off, "So when you were a Chippendale stripper..." and, of course, he wasn't, but the rumours persist due to his castmates' alternate careers.

 

[Timo]

Joachim couldn't have been more than 18 Earth years in TWOK (going by Okudachron dating), and yet was played by a 30-year-old actor.

...And Marty McFly was less than eighteen, too, and yet was played by a 24-year-old actor in the first movie, and a 30-year-old one in the third.

(Unfortunately, he tended to keep his shirt on.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[EJA]

Yeah, the accelerated aging thing was basically a band-aid I whipped up to make the dates work, just like I had to wave my hands a bit to explain why all of Khan's followers in the movie were blond Aryan types when they weren't in "Space Seed." At this late date, my memories are fuzzy, but I believe Astrid and her bunch were basically the same age as Joachim and his peers, so they would have been younger than they looked as well . . . .

You mean older?

 

[David cgc]

No, he means "younger." 10-15 year old characters played by 20-30 year old actors, so the characters are younger.

 

[Kilana2]

In celebration of the upcoming release of the much-awaited German release of "The Rise and Fall of Khan" (I+II) by Cross Cult I´d like to bring that thread back to life. Cross Cult fans have made quite a fuss for a long time until the pulisher finally confirmed the release and made us happy. Khaaaaan you believe it? You might say, we are "Khaaanatics".

http://www.startrekromane.de/romane...eg_und_fall_des_khan_noonien_singh_i_die.html

http://www.startrekromane.de/romane...g_und_fall_des_khan_noonien_singh_ii_die.html

There was a disagreement regarding to the original covers compared to the new ones.

 

[tomswift2002]

What were the original covers, because, quite frankly, the covers in those links are hideous. Sorry the Art Deco look is just not working for me. In this case I would say that Pocket's original covers are superior.

 

[Kilana2]

What were the original covers, because, quite frankly, the covers in those links are hideous. Sorry the Art Deco look is just not working for me. In this case I would say that Pocket's original covers are superior.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Khan_Noonien_Singh,_Volume_1

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_Khan_Noonien_Singh,_Volume_2

I think in this case the originals are superior, too. Most of the Cross Cult fans share that opinion. But it is the content I´m looking forward to.

 

[Greg Cox]

In celebration of the upcoming release of the much-awaited German release of "The Rise and Fall of Khan" (I+II) by Cross Cult I´d like to bring that thread back to life. Cross Cult fans have made quite a fuss for a long time until the pulisher finally confirmed the release and made us happy. Khaaaaan you believe it? You might say, we are "Khaaanatics".

http://www.startrekromane.de/romane...eg_und_fall_des_khan_noonien_singh_i_die.html

http://www.startrekromane.de/romane...g_und_fall_des_khan_noonien_singh_ii_die.html

There was a disagreement regarding to the original covers compared to the new ones.

Thanks for posting those covers. I hadn't seen those yet!

 

[Kilana2]

What do you think of them, by the way? They were controversially discussed on Facebook.

And: one of the translators was Susanne Picard (obviously no ancestor of Jean-Luc)

 

[Greg Cox]

Regarding the covers, I think they're pretty striking.

I mean, I loved the original Pocket Book covers, too, but it's neat to have new covers after all these years.