The Kazon, worst Star Trek villains ever?
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To use your own quote: details.
They made them out to be more like Lepers, which aren't cannibals.
I'm still going to salvage the Hannibal Lecter analogy -- the Vidiians were skilled but incredibly sadistic and almost hellish surgeons. How's that?
Of course, Voyager would have found friends during the journey home. However, as was depicted on the show, the Delta Quadrant was also filled with a lot of hostile alien races.
What I was suggesting is that Voyager might have been a more interesting show if the ship had been battered a bit, if it was a daily struggle for survival, if life on Voyager had been a bit more barebones, etc...like nuBSG.
I never implied that Voyager should have used the "only one villain" formula employed by nuBSG.
Hey, if it works for you who am I to argue?To use your own quote: details.
They made them out to be more like Lepers, which aren't cannibals.
I'm still going to salvage the Hannibal Lecter analogy -- the Vidiians were skilled but incredibly sadistic and almost hellish surgeons. How's that?
But if they found friends, then the ship wouldn't be getting battered, nor would it be a daily struggle. And as we've seen with SGU the show would be pretty damn boring and monotonous if that's all they did.
It's also part of the reason why nearly everyone in the DQ wanted Voyager. It was this "wonder" ship that could take a beating and come out clean as a rose. Why would anybody want a ship that was busted up? What's so special & valuable about that? Is it realistic? No but that's also the sci-fi element of the show as well. Remember, we're talking about a universe were Tribbles were one of the biggest threats to the Klingon Empire. Quirk is all part of the game.
You had to buy into the idea that Voyager was this super advance ship on that side of the galaxy. They even joked about it in episodes to rib those of us that questioned why Voyager always looked perfect.
Well, I can see why the Kazon would want the ship's technology but not any of their other enemies like the Vidiians or Hirogen. After all, they were all as advanced or MORE advanced than the Feds.
Then again, you'd think with all their advanced tech the Borg would constantly be attacking their space since it was so close to them compared to the Federation...
Then again, you'd think with all their advanced tech the Borg would constantly be attacking their space since it was so close to them compared to the Federation...
And the Kazons go rolling along...
Or we could just say they found friends who let them hang out at their space stations for repairs in between episodes.
I hated the Kazon and their stupid barnacle fros. I just don't buy the fact that a race of lesser aliens with little cohesiveness could repeatedly pose a threat to Voyager. Voyager's isolation and Seska's participation did little to offset that fact in my mind. Despite the fact Voyager was alone, they were resourceful, and they really needed a superior enemy to make it interesting.
The day the Kazon got wiped out is one of the biggest turning points for the better for the show.
The day the Kazon got wiped out is one of the biggest turning points for the better for the show.
I wasn't a Kazon fan either. I thought they were knock off Klingons and pretty weak opponents. The Vidiians were far more original and terrifying. I did think the Kazon/Trabe storyline had potential-not sure about long term, but would've perhaps worked better if the Kazon were presented as more powerful in the beginning. I did like many of the Kazon names for their characters and clans, but for the most part they were an uninspired bunch.
Now if the Kazon had just been presented as two-episode villians I perhaps wouldn't have disliked them so much, but the VOY writers made a mistake hanging their star on them as the original big bad. The TNG writers figured out pretty quickly that the Ferengi weren't going to cut it and made adjustments. It took the VOY writers far too long to figure that out. The Trabe would've been more interesting villains, or at least more powerful villains.
I read that the Kazon were based on the LA street gangs, and its almost like that's an insult to the street gangs. Those gangs were far, and are, far more lethal. Also didn't like how the Kazon were later considered unworthy of assimilation. If the Kazon are based on the LA street gangs, and I'm assuming they were the black street gangs that were in the media a lot at the time (Crips and Bloods), then I don't like the implication they the Kazon species (based on black people) were unworthy. That didn't set right with me.
Now if the Kazon had just been presented as two-episode villians I perhaps wouldn't have disliked them so much, but the VOY writers made a mistake hanging their star on them as the original big bad. The TNG writers figured out pretty quickly that the Ferengi weren't going to cut it and made adjustments. It took the VOY writers far too long to figure that out. The Trabe would've been more interesting villains, or at least more powerful villains.
I read that the Kazon were based on the LA street gangs, and its almost like that's an insult to the street gangs. Those gangs were far, and are, far more lethal. Also didn't like how the Kazon were later considered unworthy of assimilation. If the Kazon are based on the LA street gangs, and I'm assuming they were the black street gangs that were in the media a lot at the time (Crips and Bloods), then I don't like the implication they the Kazon species (based on black people) were unworthy. That didn't set right with me.
They sucked even more than the Ferengi did. Take the first appearence by the Ferengi and multiply it by a 1000 and you're not even close to how sucky the Kazon were.
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They are so incompetent it's dificult to take them seriously. The Hirogen were badass, but the Karzon...
Quite...They are so incompetent it's dificult to take them seriously. The Hirogen were badass, but the Karzon...
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