is Stargate dead for good?

[Temis the Vorta]

No, I mean good financial decisions like focusing on ratings-grabbing categories like wrestling, "reality TV" about ghost hunting, and "sci fi lite" as exemplified by Eureka. I may not like any of those types, but I follow the industry closely enough to realize that there are plenty of people who do. Skiffy is not greenlighting those kinds of shows just to annoy us.

Every network makes some bad calls. Why suppose Skiffy is somehow immune? Citing one bad call is an extremely weak argument.

and going all out with a glitzy website and marketing promotion - ALL before even putting the pilot in front of any test audiences...

I've sat on the other side of the one-way mirror in enough focus groups to know exactly how much they're worth. For every time a focus group correctly predicted the success of a product, I can name at least one instance where the prediction was way off base, and in one memorable case, the focus group slammed a computer game that went on to become a huge hit that most people here would probably recognize by name.

 

[The Wormhole]

IMO the show is no where as bad as it was made out, yes those Earth/stone/lesbian episodes where awful but we have seen alot less of those in S2.

No, trust me, the show is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. One need look no futher than Cloverdale to see that.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Ming the middle manager" was about the only thing clever I've seen done with Flash Gordon since the serials. I miss that show.

 

[AJ86]

Both DVD's brought in good profit because your banking on the worldwide audience unlike the TV show, where the North American market is the key to everything. MGM should do 1 more SG-1 to provide closure for that show and then a trilogy of SG-A would be nice. As for SGU well if they could wrap it up in 1 movie then that would be great but am not sure the they could...I doubt SGU is big enough to warrant DVD movies ?

At least finish off SG-1 and SG-A then let it all rest for a while.

SG-1 is probably my favourite series of the three, but I'd much rather see an SGU and SGA movie. SG-1 has already had closure, in terms of the storyline at least a movie really isn't necessary, whereas SGA and SGU especially really need a resolution.

 

[Hugh Hoyland]

Well I respect other view points, even when they dont match mine so I wont for sure knock others who say that SGU "sucked" or whatever, thats fine by me. But on the other hand when they tell me how "great" SG or SGA was I dont buy it. They were very conventional shows to me. I tried to watch SG and it was pretty much fast food TV, first time it goes down easy cause its tasty, but 30 minutes later your hungry again. But since they canceled SGU Ive watched several episodes and I really liked the direction it took, quite different from the previous two. I still have a lot of catching up to do but its a shame that a solid Sci-Fi show gets axed while a goofy program like Ghost Hunters continues its lame course (come on, how many times can they remake the same episode again and again?)

 

[The Grim Ghost]

IMO the show is no where as bad as it was made out, yes those Earth/stone/lesbian episodes where awful but we have seen alot less of those in S2.

No, trust me, the show is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. One need look no futher than Cloverdale to see that.

I don't know, there were 10 years worth of bad SG1 episodes.

I appreciated that SGU at least went to the trouble of getting at least 2 or 3 people who could actually act, which is more than SG1 and SGA ever had put together. Joking (kind of)

But yeah, Stargate is probably dead for good.

 

[Lt. Trull]

But yeah, Stargate is probably dead for good.

yeah and this is 1970 and everybody say's star trek is dead for good too.... that didn't last.... this won't last...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

But yeah, Stargate is probably dead for good.

yeah and this is 1970 and everybody say's star trek is dead for good too.... that didn't last.... this won't last...

Do you have any idea how many more viewers watched Star Trek than have ever seen three minutes of Stargate?

Trek is every fandom's go-to example of life-after-cancellation (and, annoyingly, the supposed effectiveness of letter-writing campaigns). That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

 

[MPH]

IMO the show is no where as bad as it was made out, yes those Earth/stone/lesbian episodes where awful but we have seen alot less of those in S2.

No, trust me, the show is as bad as everyone makes it out to be. One need look no futher than Cloverdale to see that.

Thats easy picking out the worst episode of S2, I guess SG1 and SGA never had 1 bad episode

 

[Lt. Trull]

But yeah, Stargate is probably dead for good.

yeah and this is 1970 and everybody say's star trek is dead for good too.... that didn't last.... this won't last...

Do you have any idea how many more viewers watched Star Trek than have ever seen three minutes of Stargate?

Trek is every fandom's go-to example of life-after-cancellation (and, annoyingly, the supposed effectiveness of letter-writing campaigns). That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

yeah, I remember.... we were numbers that were small in the beginning. but that didn't stop the Avalanche that came.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

yeah, I remember.... we were numbers that were small in the beginning.

You're wrong. The number of people who watched Star Trek on NBC and later in syndication was huge compared to the cable and DVD audience for Stargate. You're working from a mistaken assumption and confusing the amount of noise made by a few loud supporters of a show with the show's actual popularity.

 

[Noname Given]

yeah and this is 1970 and everybody say's star trek is dead for good too.... that didn't last.... this won't last...

Do you have any idea how many more viewers watched Star Trek than have ever seen three minutes of Stargate?

Trek is every fandom's go-to example of life-after-cancellation (and, annoyingly, the supposed effectiveness of letter-writing campaigns). That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

yeah, I remember.... we were numbers that were small in the beginning. but that didn't stop the Avalanche that came.

Actually, the 'fans saved Star Trek' is a bit of a myth. In 1969, they were just starting to track demographics (ie age ranges, etc.); and AFTER NBC brought the axe down; they got a demographics analysis of the last 'Star Trek' ratings and found it was their BEST SCORING show with the 18-30 crowd; and advertisers were looking for shows that appealed to that demo, so the NBC suits said "Maybe we made a mistake" - which lead to the rumors of a Star Trek revival, and spurred the animated series in 1973; and the 'Phase II' TV series project pre-production in 1976 that eventually became ST:TMP.

So, yeah, sorry; (and I liked SG:U myself, and would like to see it continue if MGM can make that work) but comparing the SG:U cancellation situation to the original Star Trek series cacellation situation is apples and oranges.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

BSG. An example of resurrecting something for the value of the brand name, with only a few of the most basic plot and character elements retained. That's most likely what will happen with Stargate (the content of which is about as worthy of resurrection as the original BSG was).

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

BSG. An example of resurrecting something for the value of the brand name...

Nope. You're talking about something completely different.

I've no doubt that something called Stargate will be made again - I'm still thinking it'll be a movie reboot. Regardless, it's not going to be revived because of a growing grassroots interest and persistent fan campaigning of the sort that this turn in the conversation was about, because the audience is far too small and the demand too limited.

There's not a real good example other than Star Trek.

 

[stj]

Nothing ever dies in scifi. The world may yet see a Captain Future television series! Stargate will return.

As to the audience for Stargate, the raw figures for first run broadcasts on Showtime and Syfy are misleading, at least for SG-1. (I think Star Trek also acquired many new viewers in its long years of syndication.) SG-1 was syndicated has been syndicated continuously for over a decade now. The series was rebroadcast in its (up to that point) entirety on Mondays for years, and is still being rerun. Any individual audience may be small but year after year some new viewers are exposed, if only by accident. SG-1 is very well known for a scifi property.

Perhaps a better comparison than Star Trek is Dr. Who, where the original got a little shopworn after a decade or so. Then it too was revived.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't know, there were 10 years worth of bad SG1 episodes.

Thats easy picking out the worst episode of S2, I guess SG1 and SGA never had 1 bad episode

Sure, there were bad episodes of the other shows. In fact, prior to this season SG-1's Emancipation held the (dis)honour of worse episode of all the Stargates. Cloverdale was so bad that it now takes that title. It is truly the worse episode of Stargate ever made. Emancipation, wretched and painful though it may be, is tolerable compared to Cloverdale. Cloverdale was the first time I actually felt like I was wasting my time watching Stargate.

It truly is horrible.

 

[Lt. Trull]

Do you have any idea how many more viewers watched Star Trek than have ever seen three minutes of Stargate?

Trek is every fandom's go-to example of life-after-cancellation (and, annoyingly, the supposed effectiveness of letter-writing campaigns). That no one can come up with a second, newer example that's nearly as reassuring ought to tell you something.

yeah, I remember.... we were numbers that were small in the beginning. but that didn't stop the Avalanche that came.

Actually, the 'fans saved Star Trek' is a bit of a myth. In 1969, they were just starting to track demographics (ie age ranges, etc.); and AFTER NBC brought the axe down; they got a demographics analysis of the last 'Star Trek' ratings and found it was their BEST SCORING show with the 18-30 crowd; and advertisers were looking for shows that appealed to that demo, so the NBC suits said "Maybe we made a mistake" - which lead to the rumors of a Star Trek revival, and spurred the animated series in 1973; and the 'Phase II' TV series project pre-production in 1976 that eventually became ST:TMP.

So, yeah, sorry; (and I liked SG:U myself, and would like to see it continue if MGM can make that work) but comparing the SG:U cancellation situation to the original Star Trek series cacellation situation is apples and oranges.

I dont know where you were in the early seventies.... but when I was in school (high school from 1975-1977) you probably wasn't even a squirt in your daddies one eye at that time...

The star trek fan club I was a member didn't have thousands of members or hundreds of members.... it had just a handfull to spread the gospel that was star trek...
which became was it is today...

it started out with a handfull of people telling others YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW....
and from there it became legend.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Yeah obviously BSG's revival is a different sort of thing from Star Trek. My point is that BSG is the better model for a possible Stargate revival.

 

[Silvercrest]

The star trek fan club I was a member didn't have thousands of members or hundreds of members.... it had just a handfull to spread the gospel that was star trek...
which became was it is today...

it started out with a handfull of people telling others YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS SHOW....
and from there it became legend.

Wow, so it didn't start with the thousands and thousands and thousands of people who had already seen the show? It started with your group?

I'm impressed. I guess we owe you a debt of gratitude.

 

[Lt. Trull]

Ok... I'm gonna stop now.... I refuse to have a battle of wits with a unarmed person...