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A James Bond Fan Reviews the Franchise

^ It's still there, maybe to a lessor degree, but it's still present all the way until the fight between Bond and Green.

I guess the more you watch it, the more you get used to it. It's insidious. ;)
 
I'm not sure its the director's fault. Didn't they hire one of the cameramen from the Bourne films?

The studio execs hired the editor of the Bourne movies to re-cut the film *after* Forster and his editor had turned in their cut, to make it faster and shakier...

I think they've regretted it since.

Having said that, most of the Bourne crew started off on the Brosnan Bonds anyway, so it's more them coming back than being poached.
 
I thought it was something like that. One of the reasons I went off the Bourne films after the excellent first one was down to the camera work. I'm more forgiving of it in Bond but I really hope they've got it out of their system now.
 
Quatum of Suckatude...PIECE OF SHIT!!!

I was looking forward to this movie after Casino Royale. I thought doing a direct sequel was a great idea. Boy, it sure didn't turn out this way. There is absolutely nothing in this film that resembled a Bond film. They basically took every element of fun out and made it a dreary film. At least Casino Royale still felt like a Bond movie. They tried to turn Bond into Boure and they failed miserably. Instead this was the most generic of action spy films.

-Vesper is pretty much forgotten about. I know a lot of people say that Bond not mentioning here is just an indication that he's keeping his rage just underneath the surface. I just didn't see that at all.

-Craig's acting was not good here and his Bond is basically a two-bit thug.

-The editing...I believe it's called rapid fire editing. I would love one of these directors to sit down and explain how rendering an action scene completely incomprehensible and unwatchable is good filmmaking. Christopher Nolan did this with Batman Begins. Anyone who utilizes this atricious editing should be blackballed from the movie industry.

-If this had been a normal Bond film, that dam at the end would have been busted. A dam breaking was just about the only thing that would have made this colassel piece of shit interesting.

-The James Bond character used to be a patriot but he's become just another cynical 21st centuary anti-hero, blaming his government and the CIA for all the world's ills.

Stuff I did like...

-Loved the interaction between Bond and M. Although I liked the two Bond girls in this film (I might have been the only one), Craig's best interaction is with Judi Dench.

-The scenary in this movie is absolutely gorgeous, from Haiti to the deserts of South America.

-Liked Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter and I'm glad they re-used the same actor for the role.
 
I don't think being a patriot means blindly believing everything your government does is right, or that the intelligence services of another country are always the good guys. I thought they played both sides of the argument well enough. As irritating as he was Beam's right, you can't always deal with nice guys, and the Home/foreign Sec was right as well in that Britain can't afford to be picky. Plus I'd argue that Bond was railing against the CIA/Government line less because of some moral imperative, but because they were being played for suckers by Quantum.

I think they played his response to Vesper dying quite well. If he wasn't still hurting why would he steal the picture of Vesper? And why did he get so blind drunk/look so damned depressed on the plane with Mathis? Plus just look at his face when he's driving down the tunnel in Sienna, haunted, broken. The fact is that he was just too damned busy most of the film to sit and mope!

There seem to be two recurring issues people have with QoS. One is the shaky cam stuff, which I fully understand, but the other is that there isn't enough exposition and that plot/character aren't spelled out. This I find a bit depressing...but then apparently Judi Dench didn't understand what was going on either so maybe I'm just imagining a coherant plot here :lol:
 
JAMES BOND FRANCHISE WRAP-UP

The Graphs:

I wasn't lying about the graphs. :)

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With this graph, Microsoft Excel 2007 was able to tell me just how I felt about the franchise as a whole. The twenty-two scores are plotted along the blue line and each score was multiplied by two in order to achieve a score out of ten. I found that 15 of the films were above average, 2 were just average and 5 were below average. Happily, no movie fell to a zero star rating, though it came pretty close at one point.

The green line is the average score that the franchise maintained throughout the twenty-two movies, which comes in at 6.545. Not bad, whenever an average score can stay above 5.000, I consider it well worth my time.

The red line is a computer calculated trend line. It shows that the films received constantly lower scores as time went on. Not really much of a surprise there, considering the very high scores Sean Connery's movies started out with and the lower scores Pierce Brosnan's achieved.

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This is a bar graph showing how many movies managed each score. Clearly the most popular score was 7 (***½) which I gave to five films. What I find interesting here (and yes, I find these graphs interesting :p) is that there appears to be a rough bell curve centered around 7 with an obvious spike on the upper end of the scale.

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This one shows what the franchise's average score did over time - basically a much more detailed version of the red trend line from the first graph. The most consistent period appears to the Moore and Dalton eras, where the bar stays relatively flat, which some noticeable exceptions. We went from a high of 9.500 after From Russia With Love to a low of 6.450 after Die Another Die.

Final Thoughts and Rankings:


Sean Connery:
Connery brings in an average score of 7.000 after six movies - very good and above the average of 6.545. He offered a very good portrayal of the character, and of course is still the actor that most people measure each new Bond against. I found he did quite well, even if he did appear to be tiring of the role in his later movies. What else can be said, but that he peaked early and then had no where to go but down.

George Lazenby:
Lazenby brings in an average score of 7.000 after one movie. There was potential in him for some great work if he had decided to continue on in the role. As I've said before, he channeled way too much of the gentle aspects of Bond's character, but with the right script and director, I can easily see him doing very well with James Bond. While he ties with Connery for average score, I'll give Connery the tiebreaker based on the fact that he managed that score over a longer period, and that has to count for something.

Roger Moore:

Moore brings in an average score of 6.286 after seven movies - a lot lower than Connery and Lazenby (and the overall average), yet still well above the average of 5.000. What can be said about Roger Moore? Well, if you like his take on the character, you won't be disappointed with his work. However, if you prefer Connery's take, then Moore's not your man. I personally liked Roger Moore and his more light-hearted portrayal of Bond. In the end, he delivered the single best film in the franchise, For Your Eyes Only, so he can't be all bad. :p Also interesting is that if it hadn't been for Moonraker, he would have tied with Connery and Lazenby at 7.000 - even with J.W. Pepper and A View to a Kill dragging him down.

Timothy Dalton:
Dalton brings in an average score of 9.500 after two movies - very impressive! :eek: However, this should be taken with a grain of salt, as Sean Connery managed to achieve this exact score after his first two movies. Would Dalton have continued to hold such a high rating if he had continued with the role? Sadly, we'll never know. I started out with him as my favorite Bond, and I haven't changed my mind.

Pierce Brosnan:
Brosnan brings in an average score of 4.250 after four movies. This is a really sad case in my opinion. Brosnan did extremely well in the role. The problems with his films were, by and large, beyond any control of his. With the proper story, script and directors, he could have easily scored much, much higher. This man deserved better movies. As it is, he started out as my least favorite Bond, and unfortunately remains so.

Daniel Craig:
Craig brings in an average score of 7.500 after two movies. I'm really liking his take on the character - very much more of the cold, brutal, ruthless Bond than just about any of the other actors, with the possible exception of Dalton. I'm really looking forward to more Craig Bond films and hopefully MGM can get them made before it's too late.

So, my original ranking for the actors was as follows....

Dalton > Craig > Moore > Connery > Lazenby > Brosnan

How does it sit now, and has there been any change?

Dalton (9.500) > Craig (7.500) > Connery (7.000) > Lazenby (7.000) > Moore (6.286) > Brosnan (4.250)

So, my top two and bottom one didn't change at all. However, there was a lot movement in the middle. Connery moved from fourth to third place. Lazenby moved from fifth to fourth place. And Moore had to fall from third to fifth place. All told, I didn't encounter a Bond actor that I didn't enjoy - even though Brosnan scores well below average.

Final Film Rankings (from best to worst):
1.) For Your Eyes Only (*****)
2.) From Russia With Love (*****)
3.) The Living Daylights (*****)
4.) Dr. No (****½)
5.) Casino Royale (****½)
6.) License to Kill (****½)
7.) The Spy Who Loved Me (****)
8.) Live and Let Die (****)
9.) Goldeneye (***½)
10.) Goldfinger (***½)
11.) Thunderball (***½)
12.) On Her Majesty's Secret Service (***½)
13.) Octopussy (***½)
14.) Quantum of Solace (***)
15.) The Man with the Golden Gun (***)
16.) You Only Live Twice (**½)
17.) Tomorrow Never Dies (**½)
18.) Diamonds Are Forever (**)
19.) The World is not Enough (**)
20.) A View to a Kill (*½)
21.) Moonraker (*)
22.) Die Another Day (½)

My Thoughts for Bond 23:

I'm loving the direction in which the franchise finds itself moving today. And, in case any of the powers that be behind James Bond are reading (which I'm sure they're not, but a guy can dream) I have just a few suggestions for what I would like to see in the next Bond film. 1.) Please keep the down-to-earth atmosphere. Don't let it become mired in campy fun like the later Moore movies did or the special effects ridiculousness of most of the Brosnan ones. 2.) Don't bring in Q or Moneypenny. Like I've said before, without Desmond Llewelyn, there is no point in having the character. His personal charm and wit were the only reasons the character was successful. Just leave well enough alone and don't reintroduce the character. Also, as I've said before, Moneypenny is a one note character. Without her unrequited love for Bond, she's just about useless to the story. As I doubt that kind of characterization would fly with modern audiences, please don't try to reboot her character. Just leave her out of it. 3.) Let's see Bond in Australia. Something I've never understood about the franchise is that Australia has never played a role in any way, shape or form. As a major Western ally during the Cold War and down to today, why can't we have some exotic locations Down Under? If we can have a South American desert, surely the Outback would be exciting.

In Conclusion:

I hope you've all enjoyed my reviews as much as I've enjoyed doing them. However, I have a confession to make. As much as I love James Bond - as I said in my first post, it's my second favorite entertainment franchise after Star Trek - these reviews were really just intended to cut my reviewing teeth in preparation for some Trek review threads. Sometime after the first of the year, I'll be starting a TOS review thread. I hope to see you all there.
 
Well done. Your reviews have been entertaining and I look forward to your Star Trek reviews.
 
Great job, looking forward to your Trek review thread. My only quibble: I'd love to read your review of "Never Say Never Again."
 
Great job, looking forward to your Trek review thread. My only quibble: I'd love to read your review of "Never Say Never Again."
Me, too. I'd also be curious to know what he'd think of the 1967 spoof version of Casino Royale with David Niven and Woody Allen.
 
If I can get my hands on some copies of those movies, I'll be glad to do them. Keep an eye on the thread; if I do them, it will be before the first of the year.
 
The wife and I recently saw the first half hour of the 1967 Casino Royale: it had to have been made by someone doing a LOT of drugs. Made no sense. David Niven as an aging Bond? His nephew Jimmy taking his place? Jimmy was played by Woody Allen! I saw it in the theater first run with my parents and didn't understand it. Peter Sellers played another James Bond! At one point there were hundreds of agents calling themselves James Bond. At the end, everyone dies and grows angel wings, flying to heaven as the credits roll. Incomprehensible.
 
The 1967 Casino Royale was a God-awful, everything-including-the-kitchen-sink mess that had six directors and at least twenty writers. It plays as if there was no final shooting script and they made the whole thing up as they went along. The movie’s only redeeming virtue is that it boasts some of the hottest women of the Sixties: Ursula Andress, Jacqueline Bisset, Joanna Pettet, Barbara Bouchet, Dahlia Lavi.

Hell, that’s good enough for me!
 
Great set of reviews Shran, even if I didn't always agree with your assessment of the movies. Looking forward to the Trek thread.

Yeah I agree, it was really good to go through them all in turn.

As for Bond 23...I'd like to see Moneypenny at least back. I don't see any reason, even if they stay with the gritty tone, that Bond can't have someone to flirt with on his way in to see M. Be nice to see her more as a PA/assistant to M, than as a secretary though.

As for Q...not sure, really does depend on the direction 23 takes. I'm imagining (and hoping) that it will be a bit more of a traditional Bond film. I'm not suggesting Moonraker here, but it'd be nice to have something like The Living Daylights. Bond needs a smidgen at least of the fantastical as far as I'm concerned. Q if used though might need to be more of an old school quartermaster.

I'm going to risk being flamed here but I think another actor could quite easily play the character. People said Lois was irreplacable (and for a time they were right, poor Caroline Bliss) but the majority of people seem to quite like Samantha Bond. Q would be the same. I actually quite liked Cleese as Q if I'm honest and, again being brutal here, Llewelyn possibly should have retired gracefully many films earlier.

Have to say that having seen Tron the other day I really am starting to warm to the idea of Martin Sheen as a Bond villain...
 
I'm going to risk being flamed here but I think another actor could quite easily play the character (Q). People said Lois was irreplacable (and for a time they were right, poor Caroline Bliss) but the majority of people seem to quite like Samantha Bond.

To be brutally honest myself, I preferred Caroline Bliss over Samantha Bond much more. Samantha Bond was a good actress, but I just didn't like the direction the character went in. Again, that's more of a critique on the character, not the actress.

Have to say that having seen Tron the other day I really am starting to warm to the idea of Martin Sheen as a Bond villain...

If we're going to return to more traditional style Bond film, I say get Sean Connery to come out of retirement and play the villain. That would be awesome!
 
Dalton would make a much better Bond villain than Connery IMO but it would risk being silly with any past Bond playing the bad guy, even if they went with the "It's just a code name, I was Bond #7" or something!

That said I'd love to see Craig face off against Clive Owen...
 
Clive Owen would make an excellent villain. In fact, he was the one I was rooting for to be the Bond who replaced Brosnan.
 
You and me both! (Though I was also rooting for Salmon, as unlikely as it was to be) That said in my wildest dreams I hadn't thought Craig would be as good as he has been.
 
Starkers, I think you mean Michael Sheen, although I think both of them would make good Bond villains.
 
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