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Tim Russ says people actively pitching a new Series

d. Spock/Uhura: Romance for the girls. As a girl, I approve. :D

Nah, that was to make sure the audience understood that Spock was not gay. That's to help appeal to the mass movie-going audiences.

Same reason the cover was Kirk, Spock, and Uhura instead of McCoy. If it had been 3 guys it would've been waaaay too gay. They would've had to call it, "Three guys, one saucer"
(shamelessly stolen joke from RLM)
 
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Nah, that was to make sure the audience understood that Spock was not gay.
40 years of slash fanfic haven't been enough to convince Trekkies that Spock is gay. I don't think they need to worry about that. :rommie:

OK, But your post really boils down to "here's why I liked Star Trek XI." I'm not saying your points are right or wrong, but I'm saying you could have made the same ones about say... First Contact for example.
Sure, why not? That's the other Trek film that had notably mass-audience-pleasing elements. But Trek IX has the additional feature of franchise-resurrecting elements that were not required of FC because the franchise wasn't in critical condition at that time.

My list explains a) why the people in charge made the decisions they did (the need to attract back the mass audience and re-brand Trek from "irrelevant, pathetic, failure" to "exciting, new, successful" while not offending the core fans except for the ones who insist on being offended and are a lot cause); and b) why Trek IX was therefore a critical and financial success. That success was carefully planned and carried out; it wasn't just dumb luck.

-focused on aspects of Trek the general audience had heard of: Picard, Data, and the Borg("resistance is futile" had made it into mainstream pop culture by the time of FC's release)
That worked then, but the TNG characters just don't have the legs of the TOS gang and by now, the TNG characters and actors have worn out their welcome. It might be possible to resurrect TNG at some point via recasting, but envision doing that vs the TOS characters: it just doesn't seem as interesting, does it?

-had romance in the form of Data-Borg Queen
Ugh. Hardly a selling point! :rommie: FC was a good movie despite all that cringe-worthy nonsense. I was so embarrassed for the actors that they had to be put through that.

-awesome casting in James Cromwell, Alice Krige, and Alfre Woodard
Good actors, but not exactly box office draws. Then again, Trek isn't about stunt casting. I doubt this factor played a role one way or the other.

I think the stars were just very well-aligned for Star Trek XI in that there hadn't been new Trek in a while so there was a greater demand, it went back to the TOS era for the nostalgia effect, etc.
Demand is created, it doesn't just happen. I never believed the argument that Star Trek failed on TV because there was too much of it - it failed because the business model of TV was changing so that sf/f was becoming untenable on network TV, and I'm sure creative stagnation played a role as well - and I certainly don't believe that after a few years off TV, there was some sudden groundswell of hunger for Star Trek. It would have been very easy for a Star Trek movie in 2009 to have been as big a disastrous failure as Nemesis.

If you want to be successful in the entertainment business, you have to manage demand and know how to create it when the time is right. Nobody can afford to just passively wait for demand to "happen." It will never happen. The general audience doesn't pay attention to Star Trek or to any other property to realize that they haven't seen anything from it in a while. Their attention is distracted by the 200 other things that are vying for their money at any given moment.

Trek IX had to be carefully designed to break through all the competing noise by delivering something that could take over where the marketing campaign left off, and keep going on positive word of mouth. If it hadn't delivered a very specific type of entertainment experience, the word of mouth part of the campaign would have fizzled and the box office would have dropped off after the first weekend, like we see so many times from unsuccessful movies.
 
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I wasn't downplaying the role that the actual writing and quality of the movie had in its financial success. It was clearly designed more as a mainstream box office blockbuster than some other Trek films. But, as you alluded to with TNG vs. TOS, if a well-written TNG movie had come out in '09 rather than a TOS reboot, I don't think it would've scored the hit that Trek XI did, because TNG and New Trek in general was coming to be seen as stale and tired. I think the freshness of a TOS reboot was a big part of its success.

To each his own on the Data-Borg Queen romance, I guess. Far from being "cringe-worthy," I thought it was one of the cooler aspects of the film, and I thought it could have been further improved had they considered making Data GENUINELY tempted by her rather than revealing he was basically faking.
 
If Tim Russ is behind it, chances are it'll be prime-U. Correct me if I'm wrong.... I thought I'd read somewhere around here that Russ hated the new film, or at least the concept of skewing into another universe.

I didn't hate the new film but I do think the prime universe needs some love.
Plus, Trek films are great and all but TREK WAS MADE FOR TV. Episodic, 42 minutes long. It's been too long, now. Enterprise's premiere was ten years ago.
 
If Tim Russ is behind it, chances are it'll be prime-U. Correct me if I'm wrong.... I thought I'd read somewhere around here that Russ hated the new film, or at least the concept of skewing into another universe.

I didn't hate the new film but I do think the prime universe needs some love.
Plus, Trek films are great and all but TREK WAS MADE FOR TV. Episodic, 42 minutes long. It's been too long, now. Enterprise's premiere was ten years ago.

This alleged new Star Trek series exists in Tim Russ' career fantasies and no where else. Believe me, if the guy could get work the last thing he'd be talking up is a Star Trek series with characters from DS9 and Voyager.
 
^He's doing reasonably well compared to some Trek actors. Die Hard 4.0, various other tv, video game and movie appearances. I mean, not quite Patrick Stewart but hardly in the Garret Wang leagues either.
 
Pardon, but it´s to much hipothesys over to much theory. Or the inverse, does not matter :) This discussion leads to nothing at this moment.
Only the time will tell if, and when, we will have a new Star Trek series.
Anyway, I believe that a few premisses needs to be estabilished if the show waits to have a chance:
- a good writer;
- history sequence and less holes in the scripts;
- a beautifull ship;
- to forget the Nemesis, the Xindis and the Nexus. They are examples of what don´t have to be done.
 
Sorry but a "beautiful ship" while nice aesthetically isn't required for a show to be good. The producers of "Enterprise" probably thought the NX-01 was a "beautiful ship" but that didn't make the series any better. Not sure what you mean @Starship by "history sequences". I agree with good writing, that's the foundation of any series. I think what the next series needs is someone who has an actual vision and the capability of executing that vision on screen.

In recent years I think of Tim Russ as the Principal on iCarly :)
 
I have to wonder why any actor who has been in a previous Trek series would ever think that they'd be invited back for a future incarnation of Trek at this point. We're never even going to see Nimoy ever again, much less Tuvok.:rolleyes: Russ's attitude comes off on me as being an arrogant jerk.

He was asked a question by an interviewer about whether or not he would take a role, if he was asked by THTB. Chill out. :vulcan:
 
I have to wonder why any actor who has been in a previous Trek series would ever think that they'd be invited back for a future incarnation of Trek at this point. We're never even going to see Nimoy ever again, much less Tuvok.:rolleyes: Russ's attitude comes off on me as being an arrogant jerk.

He was asked a question by an interviewer about whether or not he would take a role, if he was asked by THTB. Chill out. :vulcan:

That was the impression I got from his quote. So sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.:rolleyes:
 
I have to wonder why any actor who has been in a previous Trek series would ever think that they'd be invited back for a future incarnation of Trek at this point. We're never even going to see Nimoy ever again, much less Tuvok.:rolleyes: Russ's attitude comes off on me as being an arrogant jerk.

He was asked a question by an interviewer about whether or not he would take a role, if he was asked by THTB. Chill out. :vulcan:

That was the impression I got from his quote. So sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.:rolleyes:

So just to clarify, you think he's an "arrogant jerk" for saying he'd take another job playing a Trek character if he was asked.

You know these people have to make money to live, right?
 
He was asked a question by an interviewer about whether or not he would take a role, if he was asked by THTB. Chill out. :vulcan:

That was the impression I got from his quote. So sorry if that doesn't sit well with you.:rolleyes:

So just to clarify, you think he's an "arrogant jerk" for saying he'd take another job playing a Trek character if he was asked.

No, it was the way he said it. Of course, I wasn't standing next to him as he said it, so I don't know the true context; I can only base my opinion on the printed words.
 
Which is why most opinions, like that one, are worthless.

Have a nice day. :)

Well if it makes you feel like you've won some pathetic little argument by berating me for my opinion and calling it worthless, then I have a pretty definite opinion about you. But I'll wisely keep it to myself, since I'm done with this silliness.
 
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http://trekmovie.com/2010/11/30/tim...ek-movie-talks-possible-star-trek-tv-pitches/
Star Trek’s been around 40 years, spun off 6 series and 11 movies. Is it time to give the Trek franchise a rest?

“In a sense it is in hiatus right now, because there’s nothing on. "(Star Trek) Enterprise" was the last series, and that’s been off several years. They’re discussing other Star Trek projects, other series. I think there’s still a loyal audience out there that would love to have something to watch that’s Star Trek-related.”
If you were approached for another Star Trek role, would you do it?

“It depends on what kind of role it is. It’s certainly possible that if it was offered I certainly would consider it, given it’s work. … I don’t have any large projects right now. They’re pitching a new Trek series, so I could possibly wind up as a cast member on that. … Currently, I’m doing voiceovers for the Cartoon Network series, “Sym-Bionic Titan” (Russ portrays Solomon on the show, which debuted in September). Russ added that a former series cast member is actively pursuing a Trek project, but wouldn’t publicly disclose who it is."

Until this news comes from someone at CBS its still not much more than speculation. But it's good to know that at least CBS is listening and a new series is on the radar of industry insiders.

Well I would have been stunned if there had not been pitches being made. How could there not be? I am sure its not limited to people previously associated with Trek.
 
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