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Lost your job....blame obama
Got cancer....blame obama
Boy brings home a baby...blame obama
It's easy, cheap and any one can do it...
NFL Talk - 2010-11 Season
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Sure...
Lost your job....blame obama
Got cancer....blame obama
Boy brings home a baby...blame obama
It's easy, cheap and any one can do it...
It's pretty obvious that should be the long-term plan, but in the meantime they're paying an average (at best) QB premium QB money which will affect their ability to sign other players. Last I heard the Skins weren't exactly anything resembling a complete football team.
It was over the top, but he did have a statistically successful game
Successful would be one word for it, yes.
Andy Reid really is a genius, and somehow he's turned Vick into not just a legitimate QB, but the highest-rated QB in the league this year. Although hearing Steve Young compare Vick to... well, himself, was a big surreal. And whoever it was saying Vick is "the best QB of all-time"? Um, let's not go that far guys.Okay, Vick opened up an unholy can of whup-ass on the Redskins last night, but it's even more mind-boggling to me that he has yet to throw an interception this year.
Love the emoticon.
Yeah, I'm a huge fan of Steve Young, so that made me uneasy. At a minimum, this kind of consistency has to extend for a much longer time before any comparison like that should be made.
The "media" and in particular ESPN do have a tendency to latch onto the hot item and run it to death. Vick is no different in that regard. But he has had a superb run so far this season:
153 attempts w/o an INT is impressive for him, given his past performance and the fact that it's been literally years since he'd played any football.
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G Cmp Att Pct Yds Yds/Att TD Int 1st Sck Rtg
Season Total 6 96 153 62.7 1350 8.8 11 0 55 15 115.1153 attempts w/o an INT is impressive for him, given his past performance and the fact that it's been literally years since he'd played any football.
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He's far better than he was in the past. I used to criticize him as a Quarterback (always acknowledging his running skills, but criticizing his accuracy and judgment). That's definitely not the case this year.
It's kind of sad though that in the long run whatever he does now won't matter. He can win the next 5 Super Bowls and in 20 years he will still be known primarily as the guy who tortured dogs for entertainment.
Given his performance so far this season, and if he continues to play like this for the rest of the season, I think the Eagles have to give him a long-term deal. It sucks for Kevin Kolb, but I think Vick is tailor-made for Andy Reid's style of offense, and he gives them the best chance to win.
I don't think there's any question that they'll re-sign Vick and trade Kolb for a late-round draft pick, especially since Vick has Comeback Player of the Year locked up, is already a top-three contender for Offensive Player of the Year and probably has an outside shot at MVP if he keeps up this level of play (it's really amazing to see just how much he's turned the corner in becoming a complete quarterback, as opposed to a running back with a cannon for an arm). Kolb's value is dropping fast, since everyone realized He Is Not Good At Football after the beginning of the season.
The way I see things unfolding right now, Arizona and possibly Seattle will make a run at Kolb, while the Eagles will sign Vick to a one-year contract for some pretty good money. I have a feeling that the Eagles and the rest of the league will want to see if he can keep up both his level of play and avoid his off-field issues for another year before giving him a long-term payday. Philadelphia will sign a non-shit backup (Marc Bulger, Byron Leftwich, Kerry Collins), and move on with Vick as the starter and Kolb as third-string if they can't dump him.
The way I see things unfolding right now, Arizona and possibly Seattle will make a run at Kolb, while the Eagles will sign Vick to a one-year contract for some pretty good money. I have a feeling that the Eagles and the rest of the league will want to see if he can keep up both his level of play and avoid his off-field issues for another year before giving him a long-term payday. Philadelphia will sign a non-shit backup (Marc Bulger, Byron Leftwich, Kerry Collins), and move on with Vick as the starter and Kolb as third-string if they can't dump him.
I was at 59-0 last year. I was dying for the record. When did Belichick care about sportsmanship and stuff anyway?
Under his helmet? That mop is way below the helmet It looks like Brady uses a curling iron on the ends and mousses it up.Not like some cool long hair on a biker. Young, pretty white guys don't need that hair. I'm too distracted by the pretty long hair to notice the stats.
If a Vick-led Eagles team won the Super Bowl, what would be the PR impact on the NFL as a whole? I mean, there are a lot of people who don't follow the NFL for most of the year, but would notice a headline like "Dog Killer Wins Super Bowl". It would inevitably be a big part of the media frenzy associated with the game.
I'll be the first to say that, yeah, Vick had tons of advantages in rehabilitating himself as a person, ones that most criminals don't have. Drew Brees had tons of advantages in rehabilitating his shoulder, ones that most normal people don't have. NFL players get huge amounts of help and resources to overcome anything that keeps them from playing, because they're worth huge amounts of money.
What Vick did was disgusting (although almost no one realizes that he didn't go to jail for dog fighting, but because the dog fighting was a front for a massive money laundering scheme that got taken down through RICO), but I actually think that acknowledging his effort to reform sets a great precedent, much better than stigmatizing him forever. We tend to stigmatize criminals for life in this country, and that treatment of ex-cons has a measurable impact on the recidivism rate, in that it's ridiculously difficult for ex-cons to gain any meaningful employment beyond working at a gas station. People with no hope of rejoining society, surprise surprise, act in socially undesirable ways. You don't have to condone what Vick did (and I certainly do not, as our shelter-rescued cats would agree) in order to see that it sends the right message to say, "We'll welcome you back into the fold if you've reformed." The NFL's a big soapbox, and everybody pays attention to professional athletes. It could do some good to let people know that prison is still primarily about rehabilitation rather than indefinite, indelible punishment.
Whose fault is that? Vick's. I don't feel sympathy for the man. Knowing that his group actually kidnapped family pets and put some of them in the fights....just disgusting. Someone who instigates that level of brutality doesn't change. He doesn't suddenly become "sorry." That's such garbage. Ultimately, that's going to be Vick's legacy and he has one person to blame for it. Michael Vick. I'd have to think that, ultimately, the PR effect on the NFL as a whole would be negative.
Even our local sports personality did an hour long rant yesterday about how terrible and wrong people are who can't enjoy the fact that Vick is "such a great comeback story." Callers called in saying "if you're supposedly a Christian, you have to forgive Vick" and Traber backed them up.
Said his pastor agreed with that. It wasn't an argument with a caller that started the rant. Traber opened up his show with it because someone apparently sent him a nasty e-mail. Basically, it was an hour long rant that we must like Vick and embrace Vick because of his marvelous football capacity after his absence for 2 years. The jist of it was--if you can't like Vick, there's something wrong with you. Like it was a litmus test for how good a person you are. I wish I were kidding. I finally turned it off I was so upset. Play lights out in a game and some fans will forgive literally anything. It's more than Vick. It's this willingness to hero worship a guy who's done such disgusting things that really shakes me up. It's disturbing. You must like him? You must think he's a great story? Ultimately they said it....they're only dogs.
Color me an agnostic who can't stand Vick. I prefer it that way. Traber took some heated phone calls--extremely heated to say the least--but then the sycophants called in applauding him. And if Vick hadn't played such good football Monday night they wouldn't have bothered.
A fine thought, but if it's your family pet that was kidnapped and killed, how do you explain to your kid why people cheer the man responsible? How would explain that? Traber ducked that question really nice on the air.
Bringing up Christian values.....and he was still ranting about Vick today. When a former sports personality from Oklahoma came on the show to discuss this program he has to thank and help military members, Traber asked him what he thought about how people were treating Vick. They're trying to discuss charitable organizations and he's still railing about Vick's "mistreatment." It was surreal.
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You're right, that is such garbage.
"What if it's your mother/uncle/sister/son that was killed in the Towers/Tube/Bloody Sunday?"
Well, if they were killed in the towers I probably wouldn't have to watch Osama play quarterback on Sunday, Kestrel. That's not an applicable counterpoint. Traber spent an hour and a half, non stop, assailing half his viewership that there was something wrong with them if they don't like who he likes and telling them they weren't "good Christians," if they couldn't embrace a feel good story like Vick. To Traber, calling someone a bad Christian is something he thinks of as the ultimate insult. It was one of the most bizarre things I've ever listened to. He just wouldn't stop. Ranted over the air for an hour and a half. It's as if Vick has (suddenly) become some meek little victim he needs to protect because people don't like him. Is Vick going to stop being paid because people hate him? Obviously not.
I disagree that the dog fighting is going to become Vick's legacy. For some people, it's going to be all they can think about when they see him. But the only reason I even think about it now is because people keep whining about it.
Did the guy screw up? Yeah. And he did his 2 years. I say give it a rest until they catch him doing it again. Hating him and letting everyone know about it every football weekend isn't going to make him go away any faster (and based on the fact that the complaining hasn't stopped after a season and a half, I'm forced to assume that complaining about it isn't making anyone feel any better either).
Did the guy screw up? Yeah. And he did his 2 years. I say give it a rest until they catch him doing it again. Hating him and letting everyone know about it every football weekend isn't going to make him go away any faster (and based on the fact that the complaining hasn't stopped after a season and a half, I'm forced to assume that complaining about it isn't making anyone feel any better either).
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