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Batman: The Brave and the Bold news, discussion and reviews

"Emperor Joker!" was pretty wild. The opening was cute -- they acted out that infamous '50s cover where Batman has to wear a different-colored Batsuit each night, and I think they pretty much adapted the actual story behind that cover, though they threw in some visual homages to the title sequence of the '60s TV series.

The main story was apparently rather loosely based on the storyline of the same title from the comics, although here Joker got the reality-altering powers from Bat-Mite rather than Mxyzptlk, and Superman wasn't involved. But though it was a goofy story, it went surprisingly dark, with Joker actually killing Batman and resurrecting him multiple times -- not graphically, of course, and with the first death featuring a Tom and Jerry-style Batman "angel" with wings and a harp, which I think was a bit too silly. Still, it shows how loose the censorship is on this show, particularly this latest half-season, where characters seem to be dying on a weekly basis.

Also, some of Bat-Mite's fourth-wall breaking got a little cumbersome, like having him actually mention "A Death in the Family" and the phone poll to determine the fate of Jason Todd -- a character who's never even been mentioned in this show. I think that went a little too far. Still, overall, Paul Reubens's performance as Bat-Mite was a little more effective here than in his debut, I felt.

And Jeff Bennett as the Joker was in fine form here, doing a good job with the Joker at his maddest. It's the most I've ever enjoyed his version of the Joker.

Also noteworthy is the introduction of Harley Quinn, though a very different-looking version than we've seen before. The Joker's gang here is modeled on silent-film comedy stars -- Oliver Hardy, Charlie Chaplin, Buster Keaton, Harold Lloyd -- and colored in black-and-white. Harley is also in black-and-white and dressed in period clothing, though I'm not sure if her look is based on any actress in particular. But her voice (provided by Meghan Strange) is a soundalike for Betty Boop (Mae Questal). And Harley's standard costume does make an appearance -- on Bat-Mite, when Joker makes the imp into his court jester.
 
Yet another musical number for this episode, I wonder what brought this on. I actually thought the Joker's song was pretty catchy.
 
I was pretty surprised to see Batman's bones after the acid dip.

The original "Emperor Joker" storyline was a 10 part storyline split in two (The first part teasing who was behind the madness of the altered world an amnesic Superman found himself in for the first part, which was entitled "Emperor ?????" The first part of the story, in my opinion, was the better half, as the sheer puzzlement caused by the mystery of what was going on made for a more engrossing story). I was expecting a similar ending to the original story, where Superman (with help), finally figures out that try as he might, the Joker, despite his omnipotent powers, cannot do anything without thinking of the Batman. He even tries to wipe out existence, but can't seem to wipe out Batman.

The ending they chose to go with was good, though, showcasing how Batman defines himself by his orderly mind and the Joker defines himself by his chaotic mind. In a very real way, Batman did create the Joker, do to their first meeting, back when the Joker was the Red Hood. While I usually am not a fan of the "Superheros create their nemeses" trope, implying without the heroes, the villains would not exist, it truly applies in the case of the Joker.
 
Yeah, the skeleton shot was disturbing. I'm surprised they got away with it, and I think it went a bit too far.
 
It reminded me a bit of the Batman-Hulk crossover where the Joker got the power of The Shaper of Worlds.
 
On the musical number... the censors need a broomectomy as do the so-called experts. I was raised in the 80s, dammit... I saw risque things. Does anyone else here remember that episode of Voltron where the princess lost her bikini top?
 
"Plague of the Prototypes!" was cool. They got Adam West to play the friendly prototype Bat-Bot! Adam West! And Proto's eyes and chest symbol even resembled West's Batsuit.

And looked at in-universe, isn't it interesting that Batman gave his Bat-Bot prototype the voice of his father? (West played Thomas Wayne in "Chill of the Night!")

Well, having Adam West play a Batman-themed good guy was cool. The rest of the episode was nothing special. And I'm starting to get a little tired of Cartoon Network's shows casting John DiMaggio as virtually every guest character. It's impossible to get away from his voice on Friday nights these days. Here he was both Black Mask and Tabu, basically spending the whole episode conversing with himself. I mean, he's a terrific voice actor, very versatile, and it's understandable why he's in demand, but he's become so ubiquitous that it's starting to get a tad tiresome.

The teaser for this episode was particularly odd. Batman, Sgt. Rock and Easy Company, and G. I. Robot storming the beaches of Normandy in WWII? And they don't even explain what Batman is doing in 1944? They are just going wild and doing whatever they feel like now, aren't they? Personally, I felt it was in questionable taste, taking something with as much loss of life as the Normandy invasion and using it as fodder for "Let's see how weird and goofy we can get."


As for last week's "The Criss-Cross Conspiracy!," I wasn't too fond of it. It was basically TB&TB does "Turnabout Intruder," with a deranged female hero wannabe switching bodies with Batman and acting psychotic, hyperemotional, and stereotypically effeminate. It was unbelievable that Robin and Batgirl didn't instantly recognize that something was horribly wrong with Batman when he talked about killing the Riddler, let alone the other behavior.

And what's with introducing the Golden Age Batwoman but never using the name Batwoman or Kathy Kane, instead renaming her Katrina Moldoff? Maybe, because she was a bad guy, DC didn't want to soil the name of the current Kate Kane/Batwoman character. But in that case, it's odd that "Katrina" was in the classic Batwoman costume.
 
^^ I didn't find it in bad taste but I do agree that the opening was very odd. Maybe they wanted to do the GI Robot thing to foreshadow the episode proper?
 
I was just surprised Batman and Sgt.Rock were actually fighting Nazis for a change in a WW2 setting...after the current Avengers and the earlier Justice League cartoons banning their use it was strange to see them pop up.
 
And I'm starting to get a little tired of Cartoon Network's shows casting John DiMaggio as virtually every guest character. It's impossible to get away from his voice on Friday nights these days. Here he was both Black Mask and Tabu, basically spending the whole episode conversing with himself. I mean, he's a terrific voice actor, very versatile, and it's understandable why he's in demand, but he's become so ubiquitous that it's starting to get a tad tiresome.
Interesting, I recognized DiMaggio as Black Mask, but not as Tabu.

The teaser for this episode was particularly odd. Batman, Sgt. Rock and Easy Company, and G. I. Robot storming the beaches of Normandy in WWII? And they don't even explain what Batman is doing in 1944? They are just going wild and doing whatever they feel like now, aren't they? Personally, I felt it was in questionable taste, taking something with as much loss of life as the Normandy invasion and using it as fodder for "Let's see how weird and goofy we can get.".
Did they explain how Batman was in 1917 when he teamed with Enemy Ace? (other than to stop the alien tech, IIRC.)

I dont see the problem with Batman and Rock storming a beach and kicking Nazi ass. Nothing disrespectful about that. Didnt see it as weird or gooffy either. GI Robot sacrificed himself for a fellow soldier. There is honor and respect in that.

I gotta say I'm a bit uncomfortable with the "deification" of the Greatest Generation and the battles they fought. Some of the vets I've spoken to aren't very comfortable with it either. They just see themselves as regular guys doing a job that needed done.
 
So... does Cartoon Network hate Batman Brave & Bold?

They air it at 7pm.
They don't rerun it... at all. It's the only Friday night cartoon that doesn't get 2-3 additional airings.
They didn't order anymore episodes.
They don't run the epic two part finales at the end of the broadcasting season.
 
I was just surprised Batman and Sgt.Rock were actually fighting Nazis for a change in a WW2 setting...after the current Avengers and the earlier Justice League cartoons banning their use it was strange to see them pop up.

Did we actually see any Nazi insignias on those soldiers, though? Were they ever identified by name, even as Germans? As far as I can recall, they were just treated as generic enemy soldiers. The only place name that was mentioned was Paris, and that's only meaningful if you know the historical context.

I've learned that the reason for the censorship of Nazi images and references in kids' shows is so that the shows can be sold to the German television market, which has a strict ban on any references to Nazis in children's programming. I don't get why they don't just make two versions, one for German broadcast and one for everywhere else. After all, US dubs of anime shows often alter the visuals or cut out scenes as well as rewriting the dialogue.


Did they explain how Batman was in 1917 when he teamed with Enemy Ace? (other than to stop the alien tech, IIRC.)

Point taken. I guess they established his casual use of time travel early on (in the Kamandi teaser in an early episode), and since then they've just treated it as a given that he can go anywhere in space or time because he's Batman.


I gotta say I'm a bit uncomfortable with the "deification" of the Greatest Generation and the battles they fought. Some of the vets I've spoken to aren't very comfortable with it either. They just see themselves as regular guys doing a job that needed done.

I'm not deifying anyone. I'm saying that a lot of people died and suffered at Normandy, that it was a tragic and horrific event whatever its positive outcomes, and that degree of real human suffering shouldn't be trivialized or treated as a fun adventure.
 
And what's with introducing the Golden Age Batwoman but never using the name Batwoman or Kathy Kane, instead renaming her Katrina Moldoff? Maybe, because she was a bad guy, DC didn't want to soil the name of the current Kate Kane/Batwoman character. But in that case, it's odd that "Katrina" was in the classic Batwoman costume.

I'm thinking they didn't want to walk into a minefield over the fact that the current version of Kathy/Batwoman is a lesbian and being featured on a "kids" show.
 
I have to echo Christopher's sentiments regarding just about everything he said.

And I'd like to add: I loved Proto's Blazing Sword! He even formed it similar to how Voltron used to!
 
I'm thinking they didn't want to walk into a minefield over the fact that the current version of Kathy/Batwoman is a lesbian and being featured on a "kids" show.

Nope, turns out it's the other way around.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batwoman#Television
Though the Katrina Moldoff identity is an original creation, her physical appearance and costume are both modeled off of the original Kathy Kane version of Batwoman. On his Formspring page, Brave and the Bold director Ben Jones confirmed that the decision to rename the character was brought about after DC Comics voiced concerns about the episode's depiction of the character having a negative impact on the new Batwoman comic book series, which is to be launched less than a month after the episode's inital air date.

So it wasn't out of concern that the comics' portrayal would hurt the show, it was out of concern that the show's portrayal would hurt the comics. I was right -- they didn't want her portrayal as a villain to damage the Batwoman name.
 
I'm not deifying anyone. I'm saying that a lot of people died and suffered at Normandy, that it was a tragic and horrific event whatever its positive outcomes, and that degree of real human suffering shouldn't be trivialized or treated as a fun adventure.

I didnt see this segment as "trivial" or just "a fun adventure." It leaned towards the more serious end of kids cartoon entertainments.

Of course people suffer and die in wars. Often in tragic and horrific manners. But that shouldn't render the locations of those events off limits as settings for fiction, unless its handled in a serious and solemn manner.
 
I didnt see this segment as "trivial" or just "a fun adventure." It leaned towards the more serious end of kids cartoon entertainments.

But it's G.I. Robot. A bizarre, obscure character from a goofy age of comics. And it's Batman back in time without explanation. The whole scenario felt like a big joke, the kind of playful celebration of Silver-Age lunacy that's a trademark of this show. Yet it was set against the context of something very solemn and grave. And that just felt like a tonal mismatch to me. YMMV.
 
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