Okay, so how do we get this thread back to Wonder Woman. When can we expect some more info about this series?
Wonder Woman headed to the small screen
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This should do it.
oddly because I usually can't stand her, but my favourite is Alyssa MIlanno as Donna Troy in her 80s Wonder Girl overalls.
This should do it.
oddly because I usually can't stand her, but my favourite is Alyssa MIlanno as Donna Troy in her 80s Wonder Girl overalls.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/SuperHeroHotties/galleries/?g=5
This should do it.
oddly because I usually can't stand her, but my favourite is Alyssa MIlanno as Donna Troy in her 80s Wonder Girl overalls.
Alyssa's a beuatiful woman but that outfit really doesn't do much for me, it looks like it was constructed from a set of old curtains. Any images of the Charmed Girls from the ep where they become superheroines?
Dusty Ayres
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With all due respect, your niece needs to read comic books like Wonder Woman, Spider-Girl, She-Hulk and the other super lady books-crap like Twilight doesn't help her mind or soul. Then she'll really know what the characters are.
If it does, it's dead in the water, especially if feminists, the general public and long-time fans find out Wonder Woman isn't dressed like she is in the comic books or on the original TV show. The best thing for them to do is to adapt the current costume from the comic books for her if the producers feel the swim trunks suck.
Then why do Wonder Woman?
The Smallville people were forced to do Superman because they weren't allowed near Batman, so who are we to think that their first choice for these Wonder Woman people had been? Cat Woman?
The Smallville people were forced to do Superman because they weren't allowed near Batman, so who are we to think that their first choice for these Wonder Woman people had been? Cat Woman?
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Would anybody be willing to photoshop a Wonder Woman costume onto my sister? She's model/actress in California. PM me if so.
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Umm, where did I say my niece reads TWILIGHT? But she's been hooked on SMALLVILLE for years. Along with millions of people who couldn't care less if it doesn't really match the comics. Which is a perfectly sensible attitude.
That's the point: only the comics are just for comics fans. TV shows and movies are aimed at a whole different audience. And there's nothing wrong with that. Nobody says that only fifty-year-old fanboys like us are the only demographic that matters. If ordinary viewers prefer the SMALLVILLE version of Clark and Lois, more power to them. Nobody but a handful of hardcore comics fans are going care if the WW tv show takes liberties with the various different comic book versions of the character . . . and that's probably a statistically insignificant fraction of the total audience.
Again, Smallville ditched the costume and it worked. People kept watching for ten years. No reason that couldn't work for Diana, too.
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And for most of those 10 years people watching want to know when will he put the suit on...at some point they expect to see the suit.
is she hot?
Some people watching wanted to know that. It's just plain wrong to assume that everyone in the entire audience has the same perception and attitude toward a show as the tiny, tiny fraction of people who post their opinions about it on Internet bulletin boards. The viewing audience for the latest episode is estimated at 2.92 million people. How many of those people have you actually heard express a desire to see him in the suit? A few dozen?
The TrekBBS has a total membership right now of 5481 registered users. Even if a full, say, twenty percent of those users watched Smallville, and even if a hundred percent of those watchers wanted to see the suit, and even if there were just as many distinct fans on nineteen other Internet bulletin boards with the same sentiment, that would still only be 22,000 people, or 0.74% of the viewing audience. That's not even a blip in the statistical noise. And the actual number of people who have expressed a wish to see the suit is probably much smaller.
As I've said, I've heard of people who watched Smallville without even realizing it was connected to Superman in any way. They weren't "waiting for the suit" -- they didn't even know there was a suit. They were simply watching a teen drama with actors or storylines that they were interested in. Sure, those people who didn't recognize that the name "Clark Kent" was associated with Superman probably represented a minority of the audience, but it's probably a larger minority than the ones who post online about wanting to see a cape and tights. And there's probably a much larger percentage of viewers who are aware that it's connected to Superman and DON'T CARE. This show was designed to appeal to people who would not normally watch a superhero show.
If it's your sister, then why don't you just ask her to dress up as Wonder Woman?
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@Christopher
Even people who are casual viewers or people who are fans of just Smallville know what the show has been building up to and if you honestly believe that people who have been watching a show for 10 seasons don't care for the pay off...which is Clark Kent in the \S/uit and flying becoming Superman...
Even people who are casual viewers or people who are fans of just Smallville know what the show has been building up to and if you honestly believe that people who have been watching a show for 10 seasons don't care for the pay off...which is Clark Kent in the \S/uit and flying becoming Superman...
All I'm saying is that you can't assume that the millions of people who watch a television show all have exactly the same reactions or expectations to it. And you sure as hell can't assume that just because a few dozen people post an opinion on a BBS, that makes it what the entire audience of millions believes. The set of "people who post their opinions on a bulletin board" is not only too small to be statistically representative, but is self-selected and therefore is a biased sample.
Out of an audience of three million, you're going to find countless different reasons for watching the show and attitudes toward watching it. Some viewers will care about the payoff, others will only be interested in the journey. Some will be Superman fans eager to see Clark achieve his destiny, others will be people who don't care about Superman and liked the show better when it had less to do with superheroes and was more just about a farmboy fighting mutants of the week and wrestling with his love life and turbulent love-hate relationship with his bald rich friend. Some will care about the mythology and the arc, others will only be watching it because they're turned on by looking at Tom Welling/Erica Durance/whichever. You just can't generalize about three million people.
Out of an audience of three million, you're going to find countless different reasons for watching the show and attitudes toward watching it. Some viewers will care about the payoff, others will only be interested in the journey. Some will be Superman fans eager to see Clark achieve his destiny, others will be people who don't care about Superman and liked the show better when it had less to do with superheroes and was more just about a farmboy fighting mutants of the week and wrestling with his love life and turbulent love-hate relationship with his bald rich friend. Some will care about the mythology and the arc, others will only be watching it because they're turned on by looking at Tom Welling/Erica Durance/whichever. You just can't generalize about three million people.
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Building?
No freaking way.
there's a final destination and a "you are here" but there is no known or witting connection between those two points fore-planned or forewarned.... And I might be exaggerating when saying that they have their ending planned even with the future so well mapped now.
Long, long ago, on the bus coming home from a screening of the Phantom menace with my girlfriend, we heard some 13 year old girls screaming at each other like you and I could talk, and one of them said "Wouldn't it be cool if that little kid turned out to be Darh Vader?"
No freaking way.
there's a final destination and a "you are here" but there is no known or witting connection between those two points fore-planned or forewarned.... And I might be exaggerating when saying that they have their ending planned even with the future so well mapped now.
Long, long ago, on the bus coming home from a screening of the Phantom menace with my girlfriend, we heard some 13 year old girls screaming at each other like you and I could talk, and one of them said "Wouldn't it be cool if that little kid turned out to be Darh Vader?"
@Christopher how about all the people who DO watch "Smallville" outside of this board who share almost the exactly same feelings regarding the series....I didn't know you watched the show Christopher, I've never seen you post in our weekly discussion threads or in the summer hiatus thread?
What about them? My whole point is that there are a lot of different attitudes among the fandom. That is obviously one of them, but it's nonsense to postulate that it's the only one. No show targets itself at solely one demographic, certainly not one as tiny (by TV ratings standards) as comics readers. Comics have sales figures in the thousands; TV shows need millions of viewers. Simple arithmetic should suffice to demonstrate that no TV show can possibly succeed by appealing exclusively to comics fans.
I mean, for the third time, they consciously designed Smallville to appeal to people who weren't comic book fans. They spent seven seasons aggressively avoiding the comic-book aspects of the premise. The whole point of creating Smallville was to take the classic myth of the Last Son of Krypton and repurpose it for a new and different audience who wouldn't be interested in the story in its usual form. Naturally the comics fans watched too, but they weren't the primary target audience.
Now, in recent seasons that's obviously changed; the show these days is clearly pandering quite heavily to the comics audience. But that's because they know that the non-comic-fan viewers they need to keep the show on the air are sufficiently invested in the characters, storylines, actors, or whatever it is they're drawn to that they'll stick around anyway -- or because those non-comic-fan viewers have been eased into the comics stuff gradually enough (not just by this show, but by the success of superhero movies in recent years) that they've come to accept it. Or maybe, as with Enterprise's fourth season, they know they're coming to the end and have nothing to lose.
But a brand-new show like this Wonder Woman series can't be expected to follow the same practices as the tenth season of a proven success. It will have to be designed like any new show, i.e. aimed at the broadest audience possible. It will have to work as an introduction to Wonder Woman for viewers who have little or no prior familiarity with her. It will have to be developed with appeal to a general audience as its first priority, fidelity to the comics (or to the "expectations" of the comics fanbase) as a lower priority. Now, given the success of those superhero movies, its developers surely won't feel the same need to minimize the superhero elements that the creators of Smallville did. But they'll still be developing the show with an eye toward making it accessible to viewers who are new to the concept, because that's the sensible way to develop any show. Sure, they'll try to honor the concerns of the pre-existing fanbase, but that won't be as high a priority as making the show work as a show, as something that can stand on its own independent of prior comics knowledge or precedent.
And even within the comics fans, you can't assume there's only going to be one set of "expectations." Will some fans expect Wonder Woman to adopt a Diana Prince secret identity? Sure, especially if their main exposure to the character is the Lynda Carter series or the comics of the past few years. But that doesn't describe all the fans. There are plenty of people whose main exposure to the character is Justice League or the recent DVD movie, which followed the lead of the post-Crisis comics in that there was no Diana Prince identity. There are plenty of people who would be surprised to see Wonder Woman pulling a Clark Kent act and disguising herself behind a pair of glasses. That's integral to some fans' experience with the character, but alien to others'. It's just as foolish to overgeneralize about the expectations or preferences of the comics audience as it is for the broader television audience.
I mean, for the third time, they consciously designed Smallville to appeal to people who weren't comic book fans. They spent seven seasons aggressively avoiding the comic-book aspects of the premise. The whole point of creating Smallville was to take the classic myth of the Last Son of Krypton and repurpose it for a new and different audience who wouldn't be interested in the story in its usual form. Naturally the comics fans watched too, but they weren't the primary target audience.
Now, in recent seasons that's obviously changed; the show these days is clearly pandering quite heavily to the comics audience. But that's because they know that the non-comic-fan viewers they need to keep the show on the air are sufficiently invested in the characters, storylines, actors, or whatever it is they're drawn to that they'll stick around anyway -- or because those non-comic-fan viewers have been eased into the comics stuff gradually enough (not just by this show, but by the success of superhero movies in recent years) that they've come to accept it. Or maybe, as with Enterprise's fourth season, they know they're coming to the end and have nothing to lose.
But a brand-new show like this Wonder Woman series can't be expected to follow the same practices as the tenth season of a proven success. It will have to be designed like any new show, i.e. aimed at the broadest audience possible. It will have to work as an introduction to Wonder Woman for viewers who have little or no prior familiarity with her. It will have to be developed with appeal to a general audience as its first priority, fidelity to the comics (or to the "expectations" of the comics fanbase) as a lower priority. Now, given the success of those superhero movies, its developers surely won't feel the same need to minimize the superhero elements that the creators of Smallville did. But they'll still be developing the show with an eye toward making it accessible to viewers who are new to the concept, because that's the sensible way to develop any show. Sure, they'll try to honor the concerns of the pre-existing fanbase, but that won't be as high a priority as making the show work as a show, as something that can stand on its own independent of prior comics knowledge or precedent.
And even within the comics fans, you can't assume there's only going to be one set of "expectations." Will some fans expect Wonder Woman to adopt a Diana Prince secret identity? Sure, especially if their main exposure to the character is the Lynda Carter series or the comics of the past few years. But that doesn't describe all the fans. There are plenty of people whose main exposure to the character is Justice League or the recent DVD movie, which followed the lead of the post-Crisis comics in that there was no Diana Prince identity. There are plenty of people who would be surprised to see Wonder Woman pulling a Clark Kent act and disguising herself behind a pair of glasses. That's integral to some fans' experience with the character, but alien to others'. It's just as foolish to overgeneralize about the expectations or preferences of the comics audience as it is for the broader television audience.
I watched the full run of The Lone Gunmen over the last couple days and they were talking about their sales figures as "Preaching to the Converted".
Christopher is right on so many levels.
But here's the rub, regular ordinary people, teenage girls mostly I would think, have been unknowingly transformed into scif/comic geeks and don't understand what is happening or has happened to them, that they cannot describe their new condition of existence or figure out how to keep their needs and hungers sated...
Imagine a new reborn vampire that wakes up with out a mentor to explain anything that they are dead or that the sun hurts or that blood is food or any of their other powers?
Same difference.
Millions of teenage girls that have no idea that they have already had their hard-wiring turned upside down, that no matter how perfect their cheer leader exterior, they are fangirls, that nothing would make them happier than thumbing through he latest shipment on new comics Wednesday, but no dumb bastard explained to these women how to fill the void in their soul from Smallville making room for comicy goodness and then scarpering.
And Christopher, if you count digital bootlegging, comics probably "ship" well into the millions per periodical, so it's quite hard to figure out the popularity of these things just because they're way too expensive to buy with frequency.
Did you ever read the Extemrinators? it was a DC Vertigo comic about Pest control hillbillies vs an insect apocalypse... But the author managed somehow to relay a note to the chief group of bootleggers for his comic book and they pinned a forward onto the inside cover of a few issues where he pleaded that numbers were down and if the people who were stealing his book would please consider buying a couple issues so that it wouldn't be cancelled, well that would just be keen.
Christopher is right on so many levels.
But here's the rub, regular ordinary people, teenage girls mostly I would think, have been unknowingly transformed into scif/comic geeks and don't understand what is happening or has happened to them, that they cannot describe their new condition of existence or figure out how to keep their needs and hungers sated...
Imagine a new reborn vampire that wakes up with out a mentor to explain anything that they are dead or that the sun hurts or that blood is food or any of their other powers?
Same difference.
Millions of teenage girls that have no idea that they have already had their hard-wiring turned upside down, that no matter how perfect their cheer leader exterior, they are fangirls, that nothing would make them happier than thumbing through he latest shipment on new comics Wednesday, but no dumb bastard explained to these women how to fill the void in their soul from Smallville making room for comicy goodness and then scarpering.
And Christopher, if you count digital bootlegging, comics probably "ship" well into the millions per periodical, so it's quite hard to figure out the popularity of these things just because they're way too expensive to buy with frequency.
Did you ever read the Extemrinators? it was a DC Vertigo comic about Pest control hillbillies vs an insect apocalypse... But the author managed somehow to relay a note to the chief group of bootleggers for his comic book and they pinned a forward onto the inside cover of a few issues where he pleaded that numbers were down and if the people who were stealing his book would please consider buying a couple issues so that it wouldn't be cancelled, well that would just be keen.
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The teenage girl demographic "fans" are attracted to Welling and Hartley and watch for the shipper stuff. Smallville fan pages on facebook and even Brian and Kelly's fanpages are chalk FULL of shipper crap from fans who don't really give a shit about the show except for shipper stuff. I've read from people who used to post that even kryptonitesite's boards have deteriorated into this stuff as well.
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It has.
But even those shippers & girls who watch just for Tom & Justin...want to see Welling in the suit.
It has.
But even those shippers & girls who watch just for Tom & Justin...want to see Welling in the suit.