"I like the new movie better..."

[Pauln6]

No, it's that nu-Spock has a fit of pique, and dumps nu-Kirk onto random Hoth, where after an "Always a bigger Fish" moment with the Wampa Ice Lobster, nu-Kirk finds out that his escape pod has randomly wound up near a cave where old-Spock is hanging out, again not too far from where nu-Scott is slobbing out.

That contrivance...

Gee, when you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad after all... Oh wait, for all that to happen, Scotty, despite having sensors, computers, and a transporter didn't bother to check in on the life pod (with emeregency signal) that landed nearby to beam (possibly injured) survivors to the base. Even if he was a bit busy when the pod landed, one would assume that in the time it took Kirk to walk to the base Scotty (or Keenser) would have sobered up enough to notice the emergency beacon, locate Kirk's communicator signal, and beam him to the base.

I probably would have given them a pass if NuSpock had beamed Kirk straight to the base where Spock Prime was working with Scotty to extend the range of the transporter to beam Spock back onto the Narada. There is a certain amount of plot logic to that scenario. I'd have given them a big thumbs up if Kirk has been assigned a security escort in the form of Janice Rand. It's the other crap that just crushes my suspension of disbelief.

Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "I refuse to prove I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith and without faith, I am nothing."

"But, says man, "the scene on Delta Vega is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist, and therefore you don't. QED"

 

[Dukhat]

Well, JJ Abrams might be Star Trek's new God, but he's never openly stated that he was.

 

[JarodRussell]

No, it's that nu-Spock has a fit of pique, and dumps nu-Kirk onto random Hoth, where after an "Always a bigger Fish" moment with the Wampa Ice Lobster, nu-Kirk finds out that his escape pod has randomly wound up near a cave where old-Spock is hanging out, again not too far from where nu-Scott is slobbing out.

That contrivance...

Gee, when you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad after all... Oh wait, for all that to happen, Scotty, despite having sensors, computers, and a transporter didn't bother to check in on the life pod (with emeregency signal) that landed nearby to beam (possibly injured) survivors to the base. Even if he was a bit busy when the pod landed, one would assume that in the time it took Kirk to walk to the base Scotty (or Keenser) would have sobered up enough to notice the emergency beacon, locate Kirk's communicator signal, and beam him to the base.

I probably would have given them a pass if NuSpock had beamed Kirk straight to the base where Spock Prime was working with Scotty to extend the range of the transporter to beam Spock back onto the Narada. There is a certain amount of plot logic to that scenario. I'd have given them a big thumbs up if Kirk has been assigned a security escort in the form of Janice Rand. It's the other crap that just crushes my suspension of disbelief.

Or to paraphrase Douglas Adams, "I refuse to prove I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith and without faith, I am nothing."

"But, says man, "the scene on Delta Vega is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It proves you exist, and therefore you don't. QED"

And young Spock apparently didn't bother to contact the base before he send the escape pod down.

And old Spock didn't do anything. Just sitting in his cave, waiting for rainbows.

Someone on the Trekmovie talkbacks once suggested that this part would have been much better had old Spock found the outpost, contacted the Enterprise directly asking to speak with "Captain Kirk", who was at that moment sitting in the brig, recovering from the neck pinch.

Spock working with Scotty to beam himself back aboard the Narada would have been good, too.

 

[Pauln6]

Well, JJ Abrams might be Star Trek's new God, but he's never openly stated that he was.

Lol - but we know what Kirk does to gods, don't we? He confounds them with his sheer awesomeness!

 

[kkozoriz1]

You're right. There was absolutly no way that the movie could have been written differently. Without that sequence playing out exactly as it did, there was no chance of having a workable screenplay. Whew! Good thing they did it that way!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is an immensely popular movie in which nothing the protagonist does actually makes much difference to the outcome.

 

[JarodRussell]

"Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is an immensely popular movie in which nothing the protagonist does actually makes much difference to the outcome.

At least he does something.

 

[Pauln6]

"Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is an immensely popular movie in which nothing the protagonist does actually makes much difference to the outcome.

Raiders is probably chock full of ridiculous coincidences too but it manages to weave them into its plot so that we're swept along. Of course Raiders has the advantage of being set in the real world where plot-busting technology doesn't get in the way.

I think NuTrek does well on many levels; its problem (and/or perhaps part of its great success) is that quite a few plot elements are dumbed down to retain its break-neck pacing. A week from cadet on suspension to captain is just bonkers in anything other than a children's movie. I'd prefer the writers to resist the urge to behave like 12-year old action junkies next time round! Pacing and action are fine but please let a responsible adult (preferably a woman) review the script before filming commences!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

"Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is an immensely popular movie in which nothing the protagonist does actually makes much difference to the outcome.

At least he does something.

That's really no answer at all.

 

[number6]

"Raiders Of The Lost Ark" is an immensely popular movie in which nothing the protagonist does actually makes much difference to the outcome.

At least he does something.

That's really no answer at all.

You were expecting one?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

At least he does something.

That's really no answer at all.

You were expecting one?

No.

The Raiders thing is a pretty simple statement of fact.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

No, it's that nu-Spock has a fit of pique, and dumps nu-Kirk onto random Hoth, where after an "Always a bigger Fish" moment with the Wampa Ice Lobster, nu-Kirk finds out that his escape pod has randomly wound up near a cave where old-Spock is hanging out, again not too far from where nu-Scott is slobbing out.

That contrivance...

Gee, when you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad after all... Oh wait, for all that to happen, Scotty, despite having sensors, computers, and a transporter didn't bother to check in on the life pod (with emeregency signal) that landed nearby to beam (possibly injured) survivors to the base. Even if he was a bit busy when the pod landed, one would assume that in the time it took Kirk to walk to the base Scotty (or Keenser) would have sobered up enough to notice the emergency beacon, locate Kirk's communicator signal, and beam him to the base.

Nah, Scotty was too busy not noticing that Vulcan had just imploded, which was clearly visible from Delta Vega's surface... despite the fact that Vulcan has no moon...

 

[Pauln6]

No, it's that nu-Spock has a fit of pique, and dumps nu-Kirk onto random Hoth, where after an "Always a bigger Fish" moment with the Wampa Ice Lobster, nu-Kirk finds out that his escape pod has randomly wound up near a cave where old-Spock is hanging out, again not too far from where nu-Scott is slobbing out.

That contrivance...

Gee, when you say it like that it doesn't sound so bad after all... Oh wait, for all that to happen, Scotty, despite having sensors, computers, and a transporter didn't bother to check in on the life pod (with emeregency signal) that landed nearby to beam (possibly injured) survivors to the base. Even if he was a bit busy when the pod landed, one would assume that in the time it took Kirk to walk to the base Scotty (or Keenser) would have sobered up enough to notice the emergency beacon, locate Kirk's communicator signal, and beam him to the base.

Nah, Scotty was too busy not noticing that Vulcan had just imploded, which was clearly visible from Delta Vega's surface... despite the fact that Vulcan has no moon...

Yes that is something of a vague inconsistency. We can accept that Spock's observance of Vulcan, which was replayed via a mind meld, was not a literal interpretation of what Spock 'saw'. He may have seen nothing but sensed what was going on, which has happened before. However, Nero does say that he wants Spock to 'see' his handywork. Delta Vega could also be another moon of the gas giant TKhut I suppose.

If Delta Vega is in the Vulcan system, why is Scotty so hungry and under-resourced? He can just hop on his shuttle and get what he needs from Vulcan or just beam across: if the neaby sister moon Vulcan is visible in the sky it can't be anywhere nearly as far away as the Enterprise was.

If the planet is so close to Vulcan he couldn't possibly have failed to notice distress call (which reached Earth) or the subsequent destruction of the planet. Alarms would be going off everywhere and he's be trying to get in touch with Starfleet instead of lounging around ignoring beacons from escape pods. All very odd and ill-conceived.

It seems to me that Delta Vega is more likely in a neighbouring system but of course that just compounds the contrivance factor. Of the caves on all the neighbouring plantoids in all the universe Nero and Spock had to pick on this one.

 

[JarodRussell]

That's really no answer at all.

What was your question?

 

[F. King Daniel]

I check back in after a few weeks and...Delta Vega again!

The Cycle of Repetitive STXI Bashing continues...

 

[Pauln6]

I check back in after a few weeks and...Delta Vega again!

The Cycle of Repetitive STXI Bashing continues...

Yeah, we have to keep the boards going until we can start bitching about the new movie.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

I've put my opinion into more than a few words...

And there's pictures as well!

It's for a general review site, so it will be light on the technicalities...

 

[Itisnotlogical]

I didn't like the whole summer-action-movie feel of the movie. It took Star Trek down to the intelligence level of 123 Sesame Street, and the end result just wasn't the same. I miss how Picard was always so deadly serious about everything, instead of conjuring up a broad smile in the midst of a life-threatening situation when hundreds of people have already died, which Kirk has done on occasion...

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It took Star Trek down to the intelligence level of 123 Sesame Street...

Down?

 

[Pauln6]

It took Star Trek down to the intelligence level of 123 Sesame Street...

Down?

LOL!

I'd rather see Gonzo or Grover in engineering instead of Keenser.