Nine reasons why Deep Space Nine is the best Star Trek

[DS9forever]

I found this newspaper article from 1999 and found it interesting. It basically sums up pretty much everything Niners have been saying for years.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...IBAJ&pg=3546,4949712&dq=deep-space-nine&hl=en

 

[Anwar]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

 

[RandyS]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

Hey, I like VOYAGER too. I just like DS9 better.

 

[Haytil]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

Hey, I like VOYAGER too. I just like DS9 better.

Yeah, but saying something is "better" than another thing, as one of your nine reasons for it being the best Star Trek, isn't actually making an argument.

If they have reasons for making that assertion, they should list them - but it seems like they're just saying it's better, without explaining why, and that that is one of the nine reasons it's the best.

 

[indolover]

He makes reasoned arguments in fairness, and I agree with most of them.

 

[Pemmer Harge]

Personally, I don't think the introduction of new characters was as smooth as the author of that article - Worf didn't feel like a worthwhile DS9 character for me until Season 5 and the early Season 7 episodes focusing on Ezri left me cold.

Also, the humour was a mixed bag - sometimes it really worked, but sometimes you'd get whole episodes of misguided comedy.

Most of the other stuff works as a list of cool things about DS9 or reasons DS9 was better than Voyager, but I'm still not sure whether it was better than TNG or merely as good.

 

[JarodRussell]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

A list with the title "Reasons why DS9 is the best Star Trek" saying "It's better than Voyager" makes Voyager second best.

 

[toughlittleship]

I thought the article was pretty fair to Voyager. It did have its good episodes, but none of the scale or quantity of DS9.

 

[zar]

If they have reasons for making that assertion, they should list them - but it seems like they're just saying it's better, without explaining why, and that that is one of the nine reasons it's the best.

I have to wonder then, if you actually read the list yourself (as Anwar admits he didn't, in his usual knee-jerk Voyager defensiveness), because the author does say why he thinks it's better than Voyager: In his opinion, it has a higher good to bad episode ratio.

And if you read on, you'll notice he uses other comparisons to not only Voyager but TNG to reinforce his points. The article opens by commenting on how DS9 was overlooked because of the spotlight being shined on TNG and Voyager, so it's perfectly reasonable for him to do this. It's not just random slights.

 

[Admiral Shran]

No DS9 Christmas ornament because it would be proprotionally bigger than the Trek ships?

NO

KIDDING! It's a space station! Those things do tend to be bigger than ships.


Oh, and Anwar, in your rush to defend VOY, keep this in mind....

Point # 1 - criticism of VOY
Point # 2 - criticism of nothing
Point # 3 - criticism of TOS and TNG
Point # 4 - criticism of TV in general
Point # 5 - criticism of nothing
Point # 6 - criticism of TNG
Point # 7 - criticism of VOY
Point # 8 - criticism of nothing
Point # 9 - criticism of TOS, TNG, and VOY

So, two criticisms of TOS, three criticisms of TNG, and three citicisms of VOY. Clearly, the writer was singling out only VOY - the hater.

 

[zar]

Points #1 and #2 also contain criticisms of DS9 itself.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

Agreed - that's setting the bar far too low. You might as well say DS9 is better than being staked to a mound of fire ants.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Oh boy... I'm outta here.

No, on second thought...

Taking tickets for the event match of the decade! It's Anwar and Frankenvorta, the staunch defendant of all things Voyager and one if its most pronounced critics! We'll start the selling at ten strips of gold-pressed latinum, but as the night wanes on, expect that to rise! Get it hot, get it fresh, get it now!*

*All tickets are non-refundable. An additional fee of five slips will be automatically charged to your account for labor fees. Any usage of the holodeck for any reason other than the previously-mentioned rationale will require a payment appropriate to the infraction.

 

[Anwar]

You might as well say DS9 is better than being staked to a mound of fire ants.

Given the choice between that or endure Brooks' overacting, I'll take the ants. It's not like they'd eat me slowly over the course of 7 years.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

And the first blow goes to..!

Alright, alright, I'll stop.

 

[Technocide]

You might as well say DS9 is better than being staked to a mound of fire ants.

Given the choice between that or endure Brooks' overacting, I'll take the ants. It's not like they'd eat me slowly over the course of 7 years.

Atleast Brooks' occasional overacting can be laughed at, and like I said its occasional.
Now if the choice was to endure every ferengi episode or be staked to pile of fire-ants then....well i'd still go with DS9, for obvious reasons.

 

[TheGodBen]

Any list that starts off with "First off, it's better than Voyager" isn't worth reading.

Agreed - that's setting the bar far too low. You might as well say DS9 is better than being staked to a mound of fire ants.

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[Kai Winn]

ok lets have a look at every of the nine points, and how i see it.

#1, it was ds9 which produced stinkers regularly amid the rare stand-out episode, voyager was better on average. the mirror-universe episodes of ds9 are the biggest trash star trek ever produced, every single one of them. i don't know how that fits to the final statement of the writer "ds9 has offered the regular viewers a level of realism and believability never before achieved in star trek."

#2 i can't stand sisko with any hairdo, and his benny was embarrasing to watch. a nervous breakdown because his story isn't published, and he got sacked? that's racism? i don't fall apart when i lose, do you? i like janeways visit to the past, 11:59, a lot better.

#3 the writer doesn't claim the continuity of ds9 was better than on voyager. agreed.

#4 "fascinating religious stories"? no idea what could be fascinating about religious mumbojumbo. maybe little sisko shooting coloured beams from his belly? voyager was strictly anti-religious in most cases, that's what i like.

#5 "rom married one of his bar co-workers", that's character growth indeed. paris developed from rebel to a reliable family man, and grewmember, relapses included, 7 was borg and became an individual, and no one in star trek matches the doctor.

#6 jake was very likable, something like the holo-family mark 1 the doctor created for himself once.

#7 wouldn't know what good the addition of another comic relief, worf, did to ds9. never been a fan of klingon-honour stories, and they were suddenly all over the place. ezri was lovely. see jake.

#8 i love the ferengi, indeed. the team doctor/7 produced fine humour too.

#9 easy to achieve on an immobile space station, not on a ship crossing 75,000ly.

 

[Willieck]

DS9 Forever
Ignoring all the above () I agree with you entirely. It pretty well sums up all the good things in DS9. I have just started watching it again after TNG and enjoyed the first episode last night. I think it is a very strong start and although Avery Brooks is still finding his character I thought he did very well and I did not find him weak at all. Let's face it if it were real he would be feeling a little unsure of himself and I think that this comes across. The loss of Jennifer was still very raw.

 

[zar]

because his story isn't published, and he got sacked? that's racism?

No, the simple fact that it wasn't published isn't racism, but there was overt racism in that episode. Did you even watch that episode, or just the breakdown scene?

#6 jake was very likable, something like the holo-family mark 1 the doctor created for himself once.

How does that relate to #6 at all? His point was that Jake was Wesley done right. Those are really the only Star Trek kids, so a Voyager comparison doesn't make sense here. Voyager wasn't even trying to create a Wesley-type character. Its only kid was Naomi Wildman, but she had barely any appearances compared to Jake and Wesley. Doc's family was purposefully unrealistic, had no character background, and only appeared in one episode.