Worf, Better Defined On DS9

[jolene_b_fan]

worf, near the end of TNG had some good story lines. Yes, when he did go to ds9, they had better writing for him, better stories and focus. He got more attention there and it showed. I give Worf three raised Tpol eyebrows: ^^^

 

[Caligula]

Somehow...when I think of that scene, THIS track enters my mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQkl7qa6RQ

Fits it to a tee, I think--down to Worf's near defeat, and his getting back up....

You're not the only one. That happens everytime I've seen that episode. Leads me to believe it was intended to provoke that response.

 

[DS9 Gal AZ]

Love your pic BTW Caligula. "By Jove, which is always to say, by myself..."

I was never a big Worf but I do think he was at least taken more seriously on DS9.

 

[CaptainStoner]

What was most jarring to me about having Worf leave Alexander on Earth was that it was dishonorable. Worf's parents had brought Alexander to him because they were too old to care for a Klingon child. Worf grew as a character in deciding to keep Alexander with him, and then regresses, putting the burder on his even more aging parents, and the consequence of Alexander's personal development is IMO squarely then Worf's fault.
I did enjoy Worf on DS9, and as an old school gamer I can explain his fighting prowess simply as having gained a lot of levels from S1 TNG to S4 DS9.
Might have been interesting to have Alexander brought to DS9. Nog, Rom, and possibly Alexander as cadets.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

Old school gamers unite! I love that explanation.

 

[JarodRussell]

I really can't say how they did it, but DS9 managed to bring EVERY character to live. Even only recurring guest characters are more fleshed out than main characters from TNG or VOY.

 

[CaptainStoner]

Old school gamers unite! I love that explanation.

He was clearly blowing almost every saving throw in early TNG. Maybe 5th level, going up against higher level opponents.
By DS9 he's 12th+

 

[Anwar]

Yep, one thing that the DS9 writers messed up on was how they had Worf abandon Alexander. You'd think that even if Worf didn't contact him, his parents would have tried to phone HIM instead. And heck, it's not like DS9 was against kids since they had Nog and Jake.

 

[flemm]

Yep, one thing that the DS9 writers messed up on was how they had Worf abandon Alexander. You'd think that even if Worf didn't contact him, his parents would have tried to phone HIM instead. And heck, it's not like DS9 was against kids since they had Nog and Jake.

I don't agree with this line of thinking. Worf always had trouble dealing with Alexander going back to TNG, for a variety of reasons, one being that his son's lack of comfort with Klingon ways reminded him of his younger self: Alexander is more like Worf than Worf himself would like to believe. That makes him uncomfortable. Add that to Worf's obsession with his own honor and his awkwardness dealing with the responsabilities of fatherhood, and you have a relationship that was strained from the beginning.

It's perfectly plausible that, under those circumstances, Worf might end up being a bit of an absentee father. Always too busy, too far away, convinced that being on earth was better for Alexander anyway. It's a bad decision, but that is the whole point: good stories often challenge characters with their failings and shortcomings. Sons and Daughters is to Worf what ItPM is to Sisko and the occupation arc is to Kira: these storylines force the characters to confront their inadequacies. Kira falls into the trap of collaborating with the enemy, a behavior she has always despised. Sisko is forced to confront the possibility that his personal sense of honor and justice might not survive the war. And Worf has to face the fact that it is he himself, not his son, who is the failure. Not as a warrior, but as a father.

 

[Anwar]

Of course, they sort of messed up Alexander's arc too by having him become a soldier when a lot of his TNG episodes dealt with him deciding that's NOT what he wanted.

 

[flemm]

Of course, they sort of messed up Alexander's arc too by having him become a soldier when a lot of his TNG episodes dealt with him deciding that's NOT what he wanted.

Years have passed, though. He's grown up a bit. It would only be odd if he had exactly the same feelings he had previously. Beyond that, the episode makes it clear that he is largely joining the Klingon military as a way of getting back at his father for neglecting him, and as a way of attracting his attention. It's perfectly plausible behavior for an adolescent who struggles with his identity.

Sons and Daughters is not perfect: Alexander does basically pop up out of nowhere and then disappear pretty quickly, but the basic core of the story is solid.

 

[FordSVT]

What was most jarring to me about having Worf leave Alexander on Earth was that it was dishonorable.

Which is why Worf didn't mention Alexander until he ran straight into him, even to Martok. He was ashamed of his own behaviour.

 

[HoneyBLilly]

I hated Worf in TNG. I really did. It kind of became a facepalm whenever it was a Worf episode then, with the exceptions of the one where he becomes paralyzed and wants to commit ritual suicide and Parallels of course. And I really did not enjoy the character.

And while Dorn isn't as good or as talented as Patrick Stewart or Brent Spiner he is much better than Jonothan Frakes and Marina Sirtis.

But when he was in DS9 I started to like it more. I to this day only really and truly like seasons 4-6(I stopped watching after they killed Dax off, she was my favorite character) and I've only recently finished season 7.

But Worf's character grew exponentially during DS9 and that really made me like him. Especially the scenes between him and Dax, I still cry when he does that guttural scream after she dies.
But I think what has kind of ruined Worf for me now, is that he didn't avenge Dax's death, I didn't make sense to me. As a Klingon wouldn't that be protecting his honor? Because didn't she just find out that she was pregnant or Bashir had found a way for the Klingon and Trill DNA to combine?

 

[Kathryn-janeway]

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But when he was in DS9 I started to like it more. I to this day only really and truly like seasons 4-6(I stopped watching after they killed Dax off, she was my favorite character) and I've only recently finished season 7.

But Worf's character grew exponentially during DS9 and that really made me like him. Especially the scenes between him and Dax, I still cry when he does that guttural scream after she dies.
But I think what has kind of ruined Worf for me now, is that he didn't avenge Dax's death, I didn't make sense to me. As a Klingon wouldn't that be protecting his honor? Because didn't she just find out that she was pregnant or Bashir had found a way for the Klingon and Trill DNA to combine?

I did the same, when dax died, the last season wasnt as enjoyable as the rest,even though they were some wonderful eps.
The main reason why i started to watch DS9 was because of the character Jadzia and thats its set on a spacestation.
In addition to when worf first joined ds9, i didnt like him, but now i love the character and his development, and the realationship with him and dax.
To answer your question, Bashir had found a way for Jadzia and dax to have a child.
This would have being awonderful story arc for season 7 if farrell didnt leave.

 

[Quinton O'Connor]

You know, with each passing season I find myself liking Jadzia even more.

 

[Anika Hanson]

No I think he was better in TNG. He was with his friends and interacted better with the other characters. On DS9 he was rather grumpy and became miserable and sulky and only really interacted with Jadzia. Worf belongs on the enterprise.

 

[sonak]

Yeah, that's another good point. In addition to becoming much more of an uptight dick on DS9, he also interacted a lot less with the other crew on DS9 than he did on TNG, save for Jadzia and Sisko. I mean, what do we see of his interacting with Quark, Bashir, O'Brien, etc.?

I'm curious if this favoring of Worf on DS9 in this thread isn't more due to it being a sampling of DS9 fans on a DS9 forum. I wonder if fans who preferred TNG also found Worf to be better defined on DS9 as well, because I just can't see it.

 

[chelly]

As a primarly TNG fan I would say that Worf was better on TNG.

Though I have to say DS9 got better with Worf though I didn't care for the Worf ignores his son angle.


And if you were worf would you want to hang out with Quark, and Bashir> I thought I remember a few scenes of Worf and O'Brien speaking to each other. Also you have to remember O'Brien and Worf didn't really hang out on the Enterprise either. (at least that I remember). OR maybe Worf didn't care for Keiko, I know I didn't.

 

[TheLobes]

Well, TNG was primarily a plot driven show and DS9 was primarily a character driven show, so its pretty futile to compare them in this way. However, I think that even though DS9 concentrated a lot more on Worf as a character, they never really nailed it, I was never quite sure what to make of Worf on DS9, what sort of person he was, what his role in the story was. I didnt have that trouble on TNG, even though, or possibly because, they didnt explore the character to much. Id say Worf was more defined on DS9, but better defined on TNG.

 

[McDuff]

I prefer Worf on TNG, but he was ok on DS9 for what I recalled. But for me on DS9 he was just an ordinary (human) character. He didn't seems to bring anything else that let's say Odo could bring. Odo is easily my fav character on DS9.