Just out of curiosity: What was right with TATV?

[JarodRussell]

The basic concept of TNG meeting ENT as a final farewell to the fans of Star Trek.

 

[Galileo7]

The basic concept of TNG meeting ENT as a final farewell to the fans of Star Trek.

Yes, in a way good-bye to the ENT-TOS-TAS-TOS Movies-NG-DS9-VOY-NG Movies Roddenberry Star Trek, before the J.J.Abrams new Star Trek.

 

[NXOner]

I liked that after Trip’s death scene (hate it, hate it ...) there was the cool scene of Trip with the chef which I loved – and kudos to Bermaga to put the scenes in that order – totally unexpected and shocking.

And I liked the montage also, and Bakula’s voiceover ....

 

[JarodRussell]

The basic concept of TNG meeting ENT as a final farewell to the fans of Star Trek.

Yes, in a way good-bye to the ENT-TOS-TAS-TOS Movies-NG-DS9-VOY-NG Movies Roddenberry Star Trek, before the J.J.Abrams new Star Trek.

I think that was the point they were trying to make, even if the execution didn't work as well. Berman was responsible for 27 out of 30 seasons of Star Trek. That's 90 percent. Star Trek was his LIFE, he hasn't done anything else in 28 years. And people blame him for ruining it. Oh, the irony.

And now Star Trek fans got J.J. Abrams, who treats it as just another project and is going to leave after the second movie. Now that's Star Trek in great hands, lol.

 

[star]

I liked that after Trip’s death scene (hate it, hate it ...) there was the cool scene of Trip with the chef which I loved – and kudos to Bermaga to put the scenes in that order – totally unexpected and shocking.

And I liked the montage also, and Bakula’s voiceover ....

Yeah, it was a well placed scene. But honestly, it made me hate the episode more for the utter senselessness that was Trip's death.

I have no problem with a character death... not even Trip's. It was the manner that sucked.

 

[Winterwind]

'll bite. Enterprise was killed by the first few episodes of season one and two. Both seasons, with the exception of some clunkers, improved toward the end and the season finales were great.

If the October and November episodes in 2001 and 2002 were of the quality of TATV then we might not have had this episode as the series finale.

Now we're getting somewhere.

Imagine that an evil Q told you he was going to wipe out every last trace of Star Trek except for one Enterprise episode: anyone who picks Terra Nova, Oasis, Detained, Vanishing Point or Carpenter Street (at a minimum) over TATV... well, that'd be crazy talk.

Well, color me crazy, then, because I like Detained, Vanishing Point, and Carpenter Street and would rewatch any of those before putting in TATV.

I have rewatched those and have never rewatched TATV. So I'm crazy too. Either that or I just know a steaming pile (TATV) when I see one.

 

[Gaith]

If you liked Carpenter Street... then no, you don't.

 

[I am Surak]

No matter how long the dead horse is beaten, TATV will always be despised by the discerning viewership who love ENT and loved by the fanboys that long to see their bloated Riker one more time.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I guess if you obsessively hate Enterprise, you can rationalize the entire series as Riker's holodeck fantasy, a la Tom Paris' Captain Proton.

I can do better than that.

1) All bad ENT episodes are Riker's holodeck fantasies. There was no "Chef" on the real NX-01.

2) All bad TNG episodes are Barclay's holodeck fantasies.

3) All bad VOY episodes are also Barclay's holodeck fantasies.

4) All bad TOS episodes are Bashir and O'Brien's holosuite fantasies.

5) All bad DS9 episodes are Gul Dukat's holosuite fantasies.

Any inconsistencies in continuity, technology, character development, etc. can be explained this way as well.

See how simple it is?

Except Barclay's holodeck fantasies are teh awesome. As is Captain Proton.

 

[Alrik]

the montage of the TOS, TNG, and ENT Enterprises at the end.

This.

And this is about the ONLY thing that was good about the finale.

This...word for word.

 

[DarKush]

What I liked:
-The episode title. One of the best show titles.
-The Archer-T'Pol hug at the end.
-The voiceover montage at the very end.

 

[F. King Daniel]

The basic concept of TNG meeting ENT as a final farewell to the fans of Star Trek.

Yes, in a way good-bye to the ENT-TOS-TAS-TOS Movies-NG-DS9-VOY-NG Movies Roddenberry Star Trek, before the J.J.Abrams new Star Trek.

Except the good-bye sucked. As far as I'm concerned, the true valentine to fans and epilogue to "old Trek" is the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. Although based on TOS, it had bits, bobs and people from every version of Trek (including the new one, come to think of it).

 

[BriannaLee]

I consider "TATV" both an episode of ENT and NG that is a companion to "Pegasus". At least it was a final episode of ENT and not just cancellation without a last episode.

That is exactly how I see TATV, And thats why I hate it soo very much. It was supposed to be Enterprise's farewell TNG had thiers. I would rather had Enterprise not had a farewell than that piece of crap....

 

[number6]

The basic concept of TNG meeting ENT as a final farewell to the fans of Star Trek.

Yes, in a way good-bye to the ENT-TOS-TAS-TOS Movies-NG-DS9-VOY-NG Movies Roddenberry Star Trek, before the J.J.Abrams new Star Trek.

Except the good-bye sucked. As far as I'm concerned, the true valentine to fans and epilogue to "old Trek" is the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. Although based on TOS, it had bits, bobs and people from every version of Trek (including the new one, come to think of it).

Except that OGAM was a horrible piece of fanwank written by Melllvar.

TATV was more entertaining and less stupid.

 

[Gaith]

That is exactly how I see TATV, And thats why I hate it soo very much. It was supposed to be Enterprise's farewell TNG had thiers. I would rather had Enterprise not had a farewell than that piece of crap....

We already have an active TATV-bashing thread. So if you don't have anything nice to say, consider posting there.

But, all the ceaseless "it was ENT's finale!" griping forces me to quote DVD Verdict:

Hardcore Enterprise fans were dismayed at the heavy screen time given to cameos by Riker and Troi, but the point is moot, since there weren't enough of them to keep the show on the air anyway. Zing!

 

[Shatnertage]

Funny how this wasn't supposed to be a thread to talk about how bad TATV was, but it has managed to do not only that, but to also slag "Vanishing Point," "Carpenter Street,"
"Oasis," and maybe a few others.

It was nice to see Shran again.

 

[zar]

Imagine that an evil Q told you he was going to wipe out every last trace of Star Trek except for one Enterprise episode: anyone who picks Terra Nova, Oasis, Detained, Vanishing Point or Carpenter Street (at a minimum) over TATV... well, that'd be crazy talk.

Well, color me crazy, then, because I like Detained, Vanishing Point, and Carpenter Street and would rewatch any of those before putting in TATV.

That's also true for me. I must be crazy then, too.

But if everything else actually had to be wiped out, TATV would be the best one to save because then pieces of TOS and TNG can also be salvaged from the wreckage.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Yes, in a way good-bye to the ENT-TOS-TAS-TOS Movies-NG-DS9-VOY-NG Movies Roddenberry Star Trek, before the J.J.Abrams new Star Trek.

Except the good-bye sucked. As far as I'm concerned, the true valentine to fans and epilogue to "old Trek" is the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. Although based on TOS, it had bits, bobs and people from every version of Trek (including the new one, come to think of it).

Except that OGAM was a horrible piece of fanwank written by Melllvar.

TATV was more entertaining and less stupid.

I'd gladly sit though OGAM 100 times before watching TATV again. Yeah it's fanwank (y'know...just like a TNG/ENT crossover is, and most of season four, for that matter), and it was goofy, but it was fun fanwank and enjoyable goofy. TATV was pretty much the producers saying "Fuck you!" to their few remaining loyal fans

 

[JarodRussell]

Except the good-bye sucked. As far as I'm concerned, the true valentine to fans and epilogue to "old Trek" is the fan film Star Trek: Of Gods and Men. Although based on TOS, it had bits, bobs and people from every version of Trek (including the new one, come to think of it).

Except that OGAM was a horrible piece of fanwank written by Melllvar.

TATV was more entertaining and less stupid.

I'd gladly sit though OGAM 100 times before watching TATV again. Yeah it's fanwank (y'know...just like a TNG/ENT crossover is, and most of season four, for that matter), and it was goofy, but it was fun fanwank and enjoyable goofy. TATV was pretty much the producers saying "Fuck you!" to their few remaining loyal fans

LOL. Uhm, no.

 

[Mach5]

LOL. Uhm, no.

I find your way of running an intellectual debate impressive!