DS9 in a nutshell.
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I loved every season of that show.
Agreed. It's a funny graphic, but I do think some modifications would be in order before it would really apply to DS9. I consider seasons 2, 5 and 7 to be the show's best, and that is not an especially unusual opinion. Seasons 4 and 6 are pretty close, though, in terms of overall quality. Season 3, on the other hand, is relatively weak and uneven imo, which doesn't really fit what's going on in that graphic.
Anyway, it's a good conversation-starter
Season 6 is my fav. DS9 season, by a long shot. It contains a slew of classic eps.
That said, this link does seem pretty on-the-nose. Buffy springs to mind, also.
That said, this link does seem pretty on-the-nose. Buffy springs to mind, also.
Nope, can't really agree. Season 7 is the best season of DS9 to me, partly because of Ezri Dax (the amount of people who dislike her is baffling to me). The season that gave us The Siege of AR-558, It's Only a Paper Moon, Field of Fire, Shadows and Symbols, Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges, and the magnificently epic arc leading up to the finale as well as some other great eps I'm probably forgetting, I REALLY cannot possibly say is like the one in that chart. Additionally, I find Dukat's character to be organic and his development to have flowed naturally from previous events in the show. While I understand some people's criticisms, S7 of DS9 remains my single most favorite year of television ever.
To me, DS9 is a show that got better every year and never looked back. It is an amusing chart though that is definitely applicable to some other shows.
To me, DS9 is a show that got better every year and never looked back. It is an amusing chart though that is definitely applicable to some other shows.
Clever and funny article.
I think it got some parts right about the 5th and 7 th seasons.
In Way of the Warrior, Purgatory's Shadow, Call To Arms, IMO.
The "Emperor's New Cloak" anyone?
I liked season 6 and the seasons that lead up to it because they gave the fans what they wanted to see; a space war, and what space battles looked like, at least in the Trek universe...
I think it got some parts right about the 5th and 7 th seasons.
In Way of the Warrior, Purgatory's Shadow, Call To Arms, IMO.
The "Emperor's New Cloak" anyone?
I liked season 6 and the seasons that lead up to it because they gave the fans what they wanted to see; a space war, and what space battles looked like, at least in the Trek universe...
The "Emperor's New Cloak" anyone?
I think I'm the only Niner who actually likes that episode...point of fact, it's the ONLY MU ep that isn't total garbage to me.
The "Emperor's New Cloak" anyone?
Yeah, though the MU on DS9 had been pretty random since season 3. Some people definitely feel that Dukat's material in late season 6 and season 7 was artificially introduced for the plot's sake, though, so in his case that remark about warped characters might apply.
Dukat aside, though, there's a huge amount of fabulous character development in season 7. In fact the massive numnber of great characters on the show at this point is one of the reasons I love that season. Kira and Odo both have excellent final arcs in that come full circle to where these characters started out in season 1. Damar's transformation is awesome and is handled pretty much flawlessly. Nog's material is excellent, there is some good stuff there for Worf, Bashir, Weyoun, Martok, and so on. For the most part, the character work is a strength of DS9's last season imo.
I disagree. (But then I'm one of those who don't think that the high school years were "the golden age" and liked the show better in the 'adult' phase). And I disagree that it describes DS9 accurately, at all. Seasons 6 and 7 of DS9 were far from weak, even though they weren't perfect.
I don't think it really works for Frasier, either - seasons 6 and 7 were not as consistent as the previous ones, but the real decline started with season 8, before it bounced back with 11.
But it seems to describe Friends, Homicide:LOTS and The X-Files very well- though in the latter case it works perfectly for the first 7 seasons, but I think that seasons 8 and 9 of XF were better than the awful season 7.
Some of the things ring true for TNG, but not all (but more so than for DS9). First of, season 2 of TNG was almost as awful as season 1. Second, season 6 was one of the best, and had some of the best episodes ever (Chain of Command, pt 2). Season 7 was quite bad, which is where the comic gets it right, but it still has some great episodes and a very good finale.
It kinda works for VOY, because it peaked in season 4, and season 5 was still quite strong, but the last 2 seasons were very bad.
Agreed.The "Emperor's New Cloak" anyone?
Yeah, though the MU on DS9 had been pretty random since season 3. Some people definitely feel that Dukat's material in late season 6 and season 7 was artificially introduced for the plot's sake, though, so in his case that remark about warped characters might apply.
Dukat aside, though, there's a huge amount of fabulous character development in season 7. In fact the massive numnber of great characters on the show at this point is one of the reasons I love that season. Kira and Odo both have excellent final arcs in that come full circle to where these characters started out in season 1. Damar's transformation is awesome and is handled pretty much flawlessly. Nog's material is excellent, there is some good stuff there for Worf, Bashir, Weyoun, Martok, and so on. For the most part, the character work is a strength of DS9's last season imo.
I think that, while some shows really did run out of ideas by seasons 6 or 7 (The X-Files comes to mind), in many other cases the shows actually did interesting and edgy stuff and had great character development, but some fans bitch about it because they wanted the show and their favorite characters to remain the same (see: Buffy), even though getting stale is exactly the reason why shows usually decline. Which is why I think the shakeup with Duchovny leaving in season 8 was the best thing for XF at that point, and that the last 2 seasons were a better way to finish the show than season 7, even though the mythology was beyond being salvaged at that point.
edit: oh, and I forgot Xena - Xena went wrong in season 6, and season 7 (last season) was really bad, near unwatchable.
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I need to see "The Shield".
In the finale, Dutch kills Vic at Vic and Claudette's wedding because he's jealous of Vic's relationship with Danny from way back in season 1. It was hugely shocking and one of the greatest moments in TV history.
There, now you don't need to watch it.
Spoilsport!
Hey, wow. Spellchecker accepts that word. Tremendous.
Hey, wow. Spellchecker accepts that word. Tremendous.
Question for any of the posters:
Stargate SG-1 went for 10 seasons. Do you think the show lost its way after the 4th or 5th season?
I personally thought that was a great article even though it was for humorous purposes (and especially as I'm someone who wants to possibly get into television writing/production/ownership someday; I prefer it when shows know what they want and don't overstay their welcome. (Some say 'Family Guy' and 'Simpsons' have overstayed their welcome...)
Stargate SG-1 went for 10 seasons. Do you think the show lost its way after the 4th or 5th season?
I personally thought that was a great article even though it was for humorous purposes (and especially as I'm someone who wants to possibly get into television writing/production/ownership someday; I prefer it when shows know what they want and don't overstay their welcome. (Some say 'Family Guy' and 'Simpsons' have overstayed their welcome...)
No, I don't believe SG-1 ever lost its way. I thought its sixth season, despite my favorite character being largely absent, was of approximately the same quality as the previous three years. I thought the seventh season, even with the decreasing screen time of Richard Dean Anderson, was still pretty good and the final episodes were the best thing the show ever did. I thought the eighth season, even with all the shake-ups, was still pretty good despite a few real duds and its last five episodes were also amazing. I thought the ninth and tenth seasons and the two direct-to-DVDs get a lot of unfair flak, I thought the new characters were terrific, the Ori were something fierce and I thought the show should have gone on another two more seasons.
There is a small possibility that I was lying.
Yeah, you should watch The Shield, just be aware that it takes a few seasons to get going and the episodic plots that dominate the early years aren't as prominent from season 3/4 on. And the finale is one of the best finales ever.
